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[Nellies left peg]

Actually - don't pull it down - just remove Nelson for his opposition to the abolition of slavery - put someone more worthy up there. There could be a national poll to choose from modern day celebrities

Gemma Collins if the plinth could take the strain

 

[Vienna_70]

But they don't, that is the whole point of the protest/movement

What?

 

[SWP's back]

No, but Rhodes is....

Yes but Rhodesia, the country, isn’t.

Seeing as Rhodesia was named after Cecil Rhodes and Rhodes the island wasn’t then it’s fair to say you incorrectly corrected GDM.

Unless this is some weird Clarkie.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Clearly Nelson's Column needs to come down

We thought the same in Dublin way back in the ‘60’s.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Sorry but that fergie statute is post 92 and needs tearing down and throwing in the ship canal

Slap it with your shoe.

 

[hcblue95]

I must have seen 'where does it stop' at least 10 times in this thread. Saying where does it stop after just one statue has been taken down, you're basically saying you don't want it to start.

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

Statues are like knighthoods, given by the privileged to the privileged, often using public funds without public consultation. Don't care if they stay or go to be honest.

 

[SWP's back]

Or say sorry for our rampage through France in the 14 century?

No because technically it was ours and those fuckers kept stealing parts of it.

 

[Tarzan41]

Isn't there a hint of racism by him there?

All lives matter. If one counts, all count.

That’s exactly the point of the protests. All lives matter equally but currently some don’t. Unless you’ve seen somewhere it described as only black lives matter or black lives matter more? I can only assume that the ‘all lives matter’ posts are deliberately missing the point

 

[Nellies left peg]

I must have seen 'where does it stop' at least 10 times in this thread. Saying where does it stop after just one statue has been taken down, you're basically saying you don't want it to start.

There's more than one and Labour councils are looking at more

 

[SWP's back]

Up until 1700, India and China were two of the richest countries in the world with over half of the worlds trade. We reduced that in 150 years to single figures with the wealth transferring to the UK.

And to do that with a tiny standing army was mightily impressive.

 

[BimboBob]

And while we are at it...

Alton Towers was built on slave money, compensation paid out to slave owners when slavery was abolished.

Burn it down.

 

[inbetween]

Or we could just ask for them to be at least correct about what happened in the past and our role in it. Our participation in the slave trade helped grow an Empire, the opium war with China, the occupation of India. Up until 1700, India and China were two of the richest countries in the world with over half of the worlds trade. We reduced that in 150 years to single figures with the wealth transferring to the UK.

Just be honest and there won’t be a problem.

I agree on telling the truth but we need to be careful that taught history isn't 'changed' to pass judgement.

The only way you can pass judgement on history is through your current morals and values which must be remembered did not apply or exist at the time. No-one is in a position to say whether something is truly right or wrong, we can only understand what happened and judge it accordingly.

Look at Ancient Egypt and the buildings built on the back of slave labour... The pyramids still stand and are regarded today as a world wonder... Should we declassify the Pyramids as a world wonder or even should Egyptians pull them down?

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Statues are like knighthoods, given by the privileged to the privileged, often using public funds without public consultation. Don't care if they stay or go to be honest.

Do you include emmeline pankhurst in that or Florence nightingale? They both have statues. I think Alan Turing has one as well

they are part of our history. But no let’s just erase that because left wing nut jobs don’t like our history or anything British

by all means put the slave trader ones in museums, but the list is getting ridiculous now

 

[inbetween]

Do you include emmeline pankhurst in that or Florence nightingale? They both have statues. I think Alan Turing has one as well

they are part of our history. But no let’s just erase that because left wing nut jobs don’t like our history or anything British

by all means put the slave trader ones in museums, but the list is getting ridiculous now

A statue of Karl Marx would be fine though.

The hammer and sickle was used to deface a Peel statue at the weekend, probably one of the greatest symbols of communist oppression.

I've already said on here that the statue of Abraham Lincoln was also defaced... The guy who abolished slavery in the US and died for doing so...

 

[BigOscar]

Do you include emmeline pankhurst in that or Florence nightingale? They both have statues. I think Alan Turing has one as well

they are part of our history. But no let’s just erase that because left wing nut jobs don’t like our history or anything British

by all means put the slave trader ones in museums, but the list is getting ridiculous now

Has anyone who has said "put the bad statues in museums" ever been to a museum? They aren't actually full of statues of terrible people

 

[BimboBob]

Statues are like knighthoods, given by the privileged to the privileged, often using public funds without public consultation. Don't care if they stay or go to be honest.

There are hundreds of statues dedicated to non privileged people/ things.

Greyfriars Bobby in Edinburgh?
Titanic memorial in Belfast?
Robin Hood in Nottingham?
Mary Seacole in London?

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

Do you include emmeline pankhurst in that or Florence nightingale? They both have statues. I think Alan Turing has one as well

they are part of our history. But no let’s just erase that because left wing nut jobs don’t like our history or anything British

Sorry, meant to put 'often like knighthoods' but I am certain that when these people did what they did they weren't thinking "I'll get a statue one day for this".

 

[Blue Hefner]

What?

#Allivesmatter - it is a load of rubbish because all lives are not equal. That is what the protest/movement is highlighting and looking to actively change. I hope that clears my position up.

 

[bluemcr]

And while we are at it...

Alton Towers was built on slave money, compensation paid out to slave owners when slavery was abolished.

Burn it down.

It would be better if these people go live in a country with no history or history like ours. It's an absolute disgrace what this country is becoming and it's only going to create more divide.