UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[PannickAtTheDisco]

They're IPads for pessimists.

the weather apps on them have their forecast fixed on rain just to cheer the user up.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

I had forgotten that Brian Quinn (former Celtic Director) was also on the IC but apparently quit because UEFA were too lenient on City. A quick Google check shows he is now a Non Exec Director of the Qatar Financial Services Authority. FFS is there anyone connected to UEFA who is not on the Qatari payroll in one form or another. Don't forget that Rick Parry (former LFC boss) was also hired as a "security consultant" for the Qatar World Cup bid.

With so many factions seemingly desperate to see us totally fucked, it is a wonder that we could have anybody connected with UEFA who actually are " in our corner ".

A Celtic Director ? Don't we loan players to them ?

 

[BamberBridgeBlue]

I often have low points when thinking about football, VAR and all the rancid politics. It makes me question whether it’s worth bothering with. But my loyalty to City always brings me round because if I give up, they win.

However, I swear by every god and on the life of everybody I hold dear that I will not watch 1 second of the Qatar World Cup. If I was in charge of the FA, the England World Cup squad would be made up of Players from the Vanarama Conference.

 

[decmancity]

If we come through this and are cleared of any wrongdoing, do we think we would maybe draw a line under it as a fanbase, and maybe start looking at the Champions League in a more positive light? Nobody can deny we have been the recipients of some seriously dire treatment from Uefa, which I and i'm sure every City fan will not forget, but maybe an exoneration would provide an opportunity for us to start a new. I vaguely remember an interview with Vinnie where he spoke about the fans having to want to win the competition and the feeling the players get from the fans towards the CL.

I just wonder what peoples thoughts would be if/when this is all over with?

No.

If we win this case, it will embarass UEFA. Especially if we take it further and want to fully rip apart FFP. UEFA/G14 have it in for us, end of.

 

[Manchester1894]

I thought I read somewhere that both parties had agreed not to let the full details be publically disclosed?

Thanks, what a shame

 

[domalino]

I have been on this thread virtually every day since it began and on the FFP threads regularly since I joined. My view has not changed since the introduction of Platini's regulations: they are clearly inconsistent with European competition law so cannot be enforced, I cannot believe how stupid the world of football is to fall for the claim that these rules are in any way fair play and I cannot see how football administrators can claim that owner investment is in any way a threat to the financial stability of a club. I hope that a part of City's case has been a full frontal assault on the validity of FFP. But I do accept that this case also involves proving that we haven't actually broken the damned rules at all, or at least showing that UEFA's claim that we did is improbable.

My knowledge and understanding of accountancy and related fields amounts to no more than listening to my mother's complaints when she was involved in the auditing of (small) companies in and around Manchester way back in the 60s. I remember discovering that the audit was a great deal more than a verification that the book keeper could add up accurately and that receipts were required for virtually every biro and paper clip purchased, so I have to wonder at the lengths and depths the auditors have to go to at City. I am grateful for the information and insights PB, projectdriver and others have made available to people, like me, who's understanding in these areas is, shall we say, very limited.

I don't actually know any more than I did a week ago and I'm certainly a lot more nervous but, funnily enough, still very confident. UEFA has been over our accounts and found us in breach of FFP in 2014. We denied any wrongdoing but were punished and punished severely. They now want to punish us again!!!! This surely cannot be permissible. We don't know but it deems that we are supposed to have inflated sponsorship deals - presumably the Etihad sponsorship to conceal owner investment - apparently according to emails which appeared in Der Spiegel. My club tell me these claims "are not true, simply not true." I believe my club and I do not know how UEFA can possibly expect to use such "evidence" to contradict audited accounts which "are a matter of legal record". Our accountants must surely have checked receipts etc and been satisfied that the accounts were a faithful and complete record. To suggest they are not is a very serious matter indeed?

The club has had 10 years to challenge FFP's legality under european law. 4 years before the initial breach, and 6 years since. We know they arent shy of litigation, we know they will gladly assemble a monstrous team of lawyers to fight for them.

They havent done so because the dont want to get rid of FFP.

Some fans need to accept this.

 

[slbsn]

Thanks, what a shame

Be plenty of details in the judgement

 

[KS55]

If we come through this and are cleared of any wrongdoing, do we think we would maybe draw a line under it as a fanbase, and maybe start looking at the Champions League in a more positive light? Nobody can deny we have been the recipients of some seriously dire treatment from Uefa, which I and i'm sure every City fan will not forget, but maybe an exoneration would provide an opportunity for us to start a new. I vaguely remember an interview with Vinnie where he spoke about the fans having to want to win the competition and the feeling the players get from the fans towards the CL.

I just wonder what peoples thoughts would be if/when this is all over with?

Not a cat in hell's chance. City fans have long memories. Some never forget that the rags took Meredith from us on the occasion of a little regulatory difficulty we had.

 

[Fordyboy46]

Would a two year suspended sentence be possible?

 

[mayo31]

Cheers Geoff.

Jeff

 

[mayo31]

: )
I don't know any blue that calls us man city,

I don't know any who say Manchester City either

City

 

[dadnlad]

Would a two year suspended sentence be possible?

not acceptable because they'll just dig more and try n trip us up

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

With so many factions seemingly desperate to see us totally fucked, it is a wonder that we could have anybody connected with UEFA who actually are " in our corner ".

A Celtic Director ? Don't we loan players to them ?

It seems a hell of a co-incidence that the first UEFA FFP investigation into City in 2014 was led by Brian Quinn and the most recent probe was led by Yves Leterme (who has been criticised for his pro-Qatar links following the PSG decision). When you add into the mix the number of so-called journalists who also get paid for appearing on Qatari broadcast channels and the pro Qatar fake news operation against City's owners recently shutdown by Facebook it paints quite a picture doesn't it?

 

[KS55]

I don't know any who say Manchester City either

City

Reminds me of a puff piece on tv a few years ago bulling up how the rags had a billion supporters in Asia. Interviewer stopped random guys to ask which team they supported. The first guy answered : "Manchester". Ha.

 

[BringBackSwales]

Reminds me of a puff piece on tv a few years ago bulling up how the rags had a billion supporters in Asia. Interviewer stopped random guys to ask which team they supported. The first guy answered : "Manchester". Ha.

Was it David Pleat?

 

[BringBackSwales]

Would a two year suspended sentence be possible?

If we are guilty we are guilty, if we are not guilty we won’t be taking a suspended sentence, which is still guilty

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

It seems a hell of a co-incidence that the first UEFA FFP investigation into City in 2014 was led by Brian Quinn and the most recent probe was led by Yves Leterme (who has been criticised for his pro-Qatar links following the PSG decision). When you add into the mix the number of so-called journalists who also get paid for appearing on Qatari broadcast channels and the pro Qatar fake news operation against City's owners recently shutdown by Facebook it paints quite a picture doesn't it?

Certainly does, and gives a real perspective about the parties with an agenda against us . PSG it would appear have been accepted , however reluctantly or not , and we are the major " fly in the ointment " for the all the other self-serving bastards in the cabal.

 

[nmc]

You might expect some bullish noises from Uefa, but then Parry has left. Leaks at this stage would be about confidence and expectation. So far, City have said nothing either, not even to Tolmie.

How do you know? @tolmie's hairdoo might be in the know and going thru his Perry Como and Roger Whittaker records to find the best soundtrack to break the news to us !

 

[Len Rum]

Would a two year suspended sentence be possible?

Yep very much so.
Although as a previous poster pointed out this could lead to further actions.
Also as mentioned previously CAS could kick it back to City and UEFA and say sort it.

 

[abu13]

If we come through this and are cleared of any wrongdoing, do we think we would maybe draw a line under it as a fanbase, and maybe start looking at the Champions League in a more positive light? Nobody can deny we have been the recipients of some seriously dire treatment from Uefa, which I and i'm sure every City fan will not forget, but maybe an exoneration would provide an opportunity for us to start a new. I vaguely remember an interview with Vinnie where he spoke about the fans having to want to win the competition and the feeling the players get from the fans towards the CL.

I just wonder what peoples thoughts would be if/when this is all over with?

We cant even decide if its a muffin or a barm, no chance we will put this behind us as a fanbase.


Its a muffin by the way.