George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

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Ban-jani said:
Notice how no one is talking about race issues today?

It’s either been whether they’ll be scrap or graffiti.
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While I shed no tears for the statues of 'problematic' historical figures [to put it mildly] being torn down, the conversation surrounding the statues and the TV shows being pulled is nothing more than a distraction from the real issue [both here and in the US]. I have no interest in symbolic gestures.

I can guarantee you there was no-one out here offended by a Faulty Towers episode from the 70's. I'd be more interested in a more genuine conversation on race relations in the country {and the US too, but I'm from here, so ...] and the implementation of actual changes to improve our society. The uproar about TV shows and statues is an irrelevant distraction. Our progressive allies might view a TV show being pulled as a victory for BLM but, if we're being honest, it means nothing.
 
Ric said:
Yeah, you would imagine the actual number of people who genuinely want the statue of Churchill brought down, or want episodes of Fawlty Towers to be pulled, are miniscule. Yet the whole discourse is now about that, rather than the legitimate grievances of the BAME communities in this country.
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Vialli98 said:
While I shed no tears for the statues of 'problematic' historical figures [to put it mildly] being torn down, the conversation surrounding the statues and the TV shows being pulled is nothing more than a distraction from the real issue [both here and in the US]. I have no interest in symbolic gestures.

I can guarantee you there was no-one out here offended by a Faulty Towers episode from the 70's. I'd be more interested in a more genuine conversation on race relations in the country {and the US too, but I'm from here, so ...] and the implementation of actual changes to improve our society. The uproar about TV shows and statues is an irrelevant distraction. Our progressive allies might view a TV show being pulled as a victory for BLM but, if we're being honest, it means nothing.
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If you've followed the racial politics in the USA for the past decade you'll be entirely familiar with this pattern, where a tiny minority of BLM people do something ridiculous and then people on the right, who don't want to have the conversation about race amplify it over and over until it drowns out the message.

Colin Kaepernick is the perfect example. There was a sustained, deliberate and ultimately successful attempt to completely drown out Kaepernick's message and replace it with an argument about the flag.

Trump, Barr and co. tried the same with "Antifa" as a bogeyman this time, Trump shrieking about it and ruling them a terrorist organisation (despite not being an organisation) and the aim was to pretend that the protests were just a cover for "extremists" sowing discontent so people like Trump and his supporters could say "Oh how awful that antifa is" instead of saying "Christ, millions of people are marching in protest over decades worth of racist abuse in this country".

And we're seeing the same thing here, exacerbated by the fact that BLM in the UK is very poorly organised and run because it's imitating US protests instead of being an organic movement against discrimination in this country which obviously does exist.

As an aside @Ric, it might be time to split up the US protests/movement and the UK protests into different threads.
 
Penny Lane has been vandalised now,it was stated in Liverpool's slavery museum that penny lane was named after james penny a prominent slave trader, however after the vandalism the museum is saying its taking down the notice because it might not be associated with james penny, i think it is but Liverpool don't want to change the name of one of their most famous roads.
 
Bigga said:
You know what?

I realised my answer wasn't sufficient so I'll let someone else who knows better than I answer...

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Haha he bloody struggled with that one didn’t he?

The thing is, his answer can be an easy one but he’ll never say it because it isn’t politically correct.

Quite frankly it doesn’t matter what the demography of the cabinet, or any other body of people in the country, is. It only matters that the best people for the job are doing the jobs. So if the cabinet happens to be all white males in their 40s or all black females in their 60s, if they are the best people for the jobs then that’s all that matters.

Not that the best people for the jobs are ever in them in govt haha!

But no body of people should have diversity for the sake of diversity.

Of course, if Hancock has said that, he’d probably have to step down. But it doesn’t make it any less true.
 
Ric said:
Yeah, you would imagine the actual number of people who genuinely want the statue of Churchill brought down, or want episodes of Fawlty Towers to be pulled, are miniscule. Yet the whole discourse is now about that, rather than the legitimate grievances of the BAME communities in this country.
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Solely the fault of those who want to tear down historical statues and are offended by programs such as Fawlty.

Without these idiots there'd be no story and the important & valid arguments of the BAME community wouldn't be getting lost.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Haha he bloody struggled with that one didn’t he?

The thing is, his answer can be an easy one but he’ll never say it because it isn’t politically correct.

Quite frankly it doesn’t matter what the demography of the cabinet, or any other body of people in the country, is. It only matters that the best people for the job are doing the jobs. So if the cabinet happens to be all white males in their 40s or all black females in their 60s, if they are the best people for the jobs then that’s all that matters.

Not that the best people for the jobs are ever in them in govt haha!

But no body of people should have diversity for the sake of diversity.

Of course, if Hancock has said that, he’d probably have to step down. But it doesn’t make it any less true.
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One should always try and diversify leadership if talents are equal, though.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
More police brutality in the USA. This is basically murder.



Seriously, what the f*ck is wrong with people?
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This is pretty awful. These coppers are knobheads. Hopefully it'll bring to attention some of the issues relating to systematic and systemic racism as well as the precarious nature of having too many untrustworthy and power abusive police officers given how much trust and power needs to be placed in them to protect our welfare. As well as the combination of both points as seen here.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Haha he bloody struggled with that one didn’t he?

The thing is, his answer can be an easy one but he’ll never say it because it isn’t politically correct.

Quite frankly it doesn’t matter what the demography of the cabinet, or any other body of people in the country, is. It only matters that the best people for the job are doing the jobs. So if the cabinet happens to be all white males in their 40s or all black females in their 60s, if they are the best people for the jobs then that’s all that matters.

Not that the best people for the jobs are ever in them in govt haha!

But no body of people should have diversity for the sake of diversity.

Of course, if Hancock has said that, he’d probably have to step down. But it doesn’t make it any less true.
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I disagree slightly with this. All teams should have diversity, it’s a critical element to being truly high performing. It is diversity of thought that is needed though rather than diversity of race or gender as such. Things like that can be enablers though due to the different life experiences and feedback from a different perspective that they can bring.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
I'm going to say something unpopular here but I don't see why Suffolk Police have felt the need to go on the defensive over this. People are stopped up and down the country driving their cars for license checks and whatever, it's how a lot of vehicle crime is detected. Otherwise what's the point in sitting a driving test and going through that whole process if nobody is ever going to enforce it anyway?

If, as the officers suggest, the occupants of the car were continually glancing over at the Police then yeah, its reasonable to suggest that might make them a bit suspicious, no? In any case, a very quick licence check and they'd have been on their way - no issues and probably told to enjoy their day.

The comments about jumping on the bandwagon were in poor taste and worthy of criticism, but it seems like they've been drawn in to an argument because the occupants have immediately went on the defensive and played the racial profiling card when it's simply not the case.

Spot checks happen up and down the country, if you have a licence, insurance etc then there's absolutely nothing to worry about. I'd rather get stopped a few times in the mindset that our roads are as safe as possible for everyone to drive on, as opposed to not stopping and engaging with people and the inevitable free for all which arises.

Sorry if people disagree, but just saying it how I see it. So longs the Police stop you and engage in a courteous manner whilst getting the stop check dealt with as quickly as possible so that road users can go ahead and enjoy the rest of their day then I don't see the problem.
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They say they glanced at the police once I think,facts are more black people get pulled over by police and has been the case for years,especially if they have a nice car,it is profiling
 
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