Another new Brexit thread

[BobKowalski]

I assume that you are taking some comfort from the level of Barnier's angst - if not - you should be??

If not - it just speaks volumes about just how far you are committed to seeing the UK's interests suffer in your need to win a debate on a football forum.

I still am very nervous - but the more Barnier cranks up the indignation volume about the UK dumping the PD - the more we can all hope the this is genuine resolve we are seeing and that the professionals remain in charge.

Fingers crossed!!

https://www.rt.com/news/492841-barnier-eu-uk-backtracking-brexit/

Think Barnier is just getting impatient about the lack of progress in building the new 14 acre EU Control and Command Centre in Port Larne. Curtains don’t measure themselves you know.

 

[west didsblue]

Reading these last few pages it really seems it hasn’t twigged with many people what the opposition to their views is thinking.

Most remain voters on here are still going on about the economy.

To a large proportion of Brexit voters they couldn’t give a fuck about an economic hit, a lot are poor as it is and are sick and tired of globalisation being played at fast forward speed within the EU.

Now I happen to hold the economy as my main priority and therefore I’m a remainer but having spent 2.5 years arguing the toss with Brexit voters on here over it and with people I know or people I speak with generally, I’ve realised no economic forecast will sway opinion on the other side, they just want the UK to be independent of Brussels.

Now some think we’ll be okay economically, dependent on the deal and that’s where the debate will be and should be but I can’t believe some are surprised when they’re not engaged on the economical debate.

The poor Brexit supporters who don’t give a fuck about the economy are in for a nasty shock when they realise that they can get a whole lot worse off.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

The poor Brexit supporters who don’t give a fuck about the economy are in for a nasty shock when they realise that they can get a whole lot worse off.

Surely we are all in for the same nasty shock whether we support brexit or not?

 

[west didsblue]

Surely we are all in for the same nasty shock whether we support brexit or not?

We’re all in for the same problems but it won’t be as much of a shock for those that didn’t vote for it. They’ll be expecting it.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

We’re all in for the same problems but it won’t be as much of a shock for those that didn’t vote for it. They’ll be expecting it.

Oh ok, so as long as I expect it I'll be fine then?

 

[west didsblue]

Oh ok, so as long as I expect it I'll be fine then?

No idea about your personal circumstances but if you’re speaking in general then I suspect it will have the same impact irrespective of what they voted for. Like I said it won’t be a surprise for those that voted against Brexit because they voted against it for a reason.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

No idea about your personal circumstances but if you’re speaking in general then I suspect it will have the same impact irrespective of what they voted for. Like I said it won’t be a surprise for those that voted against Brexit because they voted against it for a reason.

So basically the same for everyone regardless of how they voted. Excellent, for a moment there I thought I was missing out and was considering changing my mind.

 

[west didsblue]

So basically the same for everyone regardless of how they voted. Excellent, for a moment there I thought I was missing out and was considering changing my mind.

Wasn’t that difficult was it.
Same for everyone but a bigger surprise for those who won’t be expecting it.

 

[mexico1970]

So basically the same for everyone regardless of how they voted. Excellent, for a moment there I thought I was missing out and was considering changing my mind.

Like an earthquake or tsunami, if you know it's coming it wont be as bad for you, you'd still drown or get killed by rubble but at least you'd know about it. Obviously if you're poor and didn't vote the same way as the financially well off who have done OK out of the EU then you probably deserve what's coming to you :)

 

[Vic]

No idea about your personal circumstances but if you’re speaking in general then I suspect it will have the same impact irrespective of what they voted for. Like I said it won’t be a surprise for those that voted against Brexit because they voted against it for a reason.

It won't. The poorer you were the more likely to vote to leave. (In general), Brexit will have the greatest impact on those who voted for it. The people to feel sorry for are poor people who voted to Remain, and lose their jobs.

I think that's what Mexico just said but he was trying to be sarcastic.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

So basically the same for everyone regardless of how they voted. Excellent, for a moment there I thought I was missing out and was considering changing my mind.

For the people who voted for a change because they were sick of austerity in 2016, it will be devastating. Plus some of the “Just about managing”.

The rest will be able to absorb the financial shock (to varying degrees).

The savvy will make a mint out of Brexit.

The poor will suffer substantially more. It was forever thus.

 

[mcfc1632]

Reading these last few pages it really seems it hasn’t twigged with many people what the opposition to their views is thinking.

Most remain voters on here are still going on about the economy.

To a large proportion of Brexit voters they couldn’t give a fuck about an economic hit, a lot are poor as it is and are sick and tired of globalisation being played at fast forward speed within the EU.

Now I happen to hold the economy as my main priority and therefore I’m a remainer but having spent 2.5 years arguing the toss with Brexit voters on here over it and with people I know or people I speak with generally, I’ve realised no economic forecast will sway opinion on the other side, they just want the UK to be independent of Brussels.

Now some think we’ll be okay economically, dependent on the deal and that’s where the debate will be and should be but I can’t believe some are surprised when they’re not engaged on the economical debate.

Also - 2 points.....

1. The Remain advocates on here have failed to present any arguments that have been found to be remotely compelling.

This is a simple fact and clearly evidenced because they have utterly failed to persuade any staunch Leavers on here that they were wrong to vote Leave. At least I cannot think of a staunch Leave supporter on here that now regrets their decision - although I can think of posters that were staunch Remain supporters that now consider that we should get on with Leaving.

Just think that through - 4 years of largely the same diehard posters practicing their one trick pony economic forecast argument with tedious repetition - still expecting/demanding to get traction - because they are unable to see that what they have to say is only of interest to themselves and each other. For Leavers - it is just ineffectual white noise.

I would not be considered to be poor or just about managing and I have a lot of investments/interests that will/perhaps could be adversely affected if their doomsday scenarios come true. I may have concerns - but they are derived from my own analysis - not anything that was found to be of interest from Remainers on here.

2. Just think what the UK position would be in June 2020 if the referendum had gone the other way...…...

Just think of the opportunity we would have to be on some thread on here discussing the EU's latest MFF negotiations/imposition as they cement their commitment to the EU superstate through the enforcement of the UK, along with 27 other countries, to commit to deeper political, economic and monetary union.

Just think of the 'opportunity' of being able to discuss the travesty of hoping to secure some of the funds taken from us to be given back to the UK to manage the impact of Covid-19 on our economy - but not in any manner of course that could seek to build the UK up as a strong competitor within Europe.

The EU model is one that will relentlessly drag all of the EU nations down to the level of lowest common denominator - a sort or perverse Level Playing Field.

What an wholly unattractive prospect that would be!!

Nah - as it would likely be the same posters 'on the other side of the debate' - demonstrating their 'capabilities' of objective assessment - I would much prefer to be taking part in the current discussions.

It is so much more satisfying to be sharing posts based on the scope of what our arrangements will be after Leaving the EU - rather than the stultifying prospect of what continuing EU membership and the impact of the MFF would have for the UK in 2021 and beyond.

Some of the Remainers may - when looking back in years to come - be moved to thank us Leavers - the rest should as well, but probably won't be able to bring themselves to

 

[mcfc1632]

Interesting headlines around in recent days - a typical example:

"EU signals compromise possible in trade talks with the UK"

https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/br...-possible-in-trade-talks-with-the-uk-20200624

Seems to be further proof of:

"We will not see movement from the EU unless and until they are faced with the prospect of a viable walk-away option – and the political will to use it”

 

[Vic]

Interesting headlines around in recent days - a typical example:

"EU signals compromise possible in trade talks with the UK"

https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/br...-possible-in-trade-talks-with-the-uk-20200624

Seems to be further proof of:

"We will not see movement from the EU unless and until they are faced with the prospect of a viable walk-away option – and the political will to use it”

Have you been trawling for good news?

I don't know about the FT headline or how they've spun the story. From what I can see, this is based on a webcast conversation with Barnier:

"We are ready on this point, as well as on the fishing issue, governance, and some other issues where we are divergent, we are ready to work on landing zones respecting the mandate of the EU,” said Mr Barnier in a webcast organised by the European Policy Centre think-tank.

“We are ready to work on operational and clever compromise but not at the price, never at the price of any unravelling of the single market. Never.”

 

[Vic]

Also - 2 points.....

1. The Remain advocates on here have failed to present any arguments that have been found to be remotely compelling.

This is a simple fact and clearly evidenced because they have utterly failed to persuade any staunch Leavers on here that they were wrong to vote Leave. At least I cannot think of a staunch Leave supporter on here that now regrets their decision - although I can think of posters that were staunch Remain supporters that now consider that we should get on with Leaving.

Just think that through - 4 years of largely the same diehard posters practicing their one trick pony economic forecast argument with tedious repetition - still expecting/demanding to get traction - because they are unable to see that what they have to say is only of interest to themselves and each other. For Leavers - it is just ineffectual white noise.

I would not be considered to be poor or just about managing and I have a lot of investments/interests that will/perhaps could be adversely affected if their doomsday scenarios come true. I may have concerns - but they are derived from my own analysis - not anything that was found to be of interest from Remainers on here.

2. Just think what the UK position would be in June 2020 if the referendum had gone the other way...…...

Just think of the opportunity we would have to be on some thread on here discussing the EU's latest MFF negotiations/imposition as they cement their commitment to the EU superstate through the enforcement of the UK, along with 27 other countries, to commit to deeper political, economic and monetary union.

Just think of the 'opportunity' of being able to discuss the travesty of hoping to secure some of the funds taken from us to be given back to the UK to manage the impact of Covid-19 on our economy - but not in any manner of course that could seek to build the UK up as a strong competitor within Europe.

The EU model is one that will relentlessly drag all of the EU nations down to the level of lowest common denominator - a sort or perverse Level Playing Field.

What an wholly unattractive prospect that would be!!

Nah - as it would likely be the same posters 'on the other side of the debate' - demonstrating their 'capabilities' of objective assessment - I would much prefer to be taking part in the current discussions.

It is so much more satisfying to be sharing posts based on the scope of what our arrangements will be after Leaving the EU - rather than the stultifying prospect of what continuing EU membership and the impact of the MFF would have for the UK in 2021 and beyond.

Some of the Remainers may look back in years to come and thank us Leavers - the rest should, but probably won't be able to bring themselves to

It's the economy, stupid.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Wasn’t that difficult was it.
Same for everyone but a bigger surprise for those who won’t be expecting it.

But we've been reliably informed for five years by Remainers that it will be awful, so I'm not sure how anyone will be shocked/surprised.

 

[Tb1981]

But we've been reliably informed for five years by Remainers that it will be awful, so I'm not sure how anyone will be shocked/surprised.

Maybe just maybe we would have all voted remain if a positive picture of staying in the Eu and it’s benefits had been painted
Instead we’ve had remainers doomsday scare scenarios all throughout referendum and ever since
I have never met a leaver who has changed their mind.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

As a keen Leave advocate I have said for months that - should there eventually be a no-deal outcome - Corbyn and the Remainers at Westminster will be recognised - when history is written - as bearing a lot of responsibility - a lot on here seem unable to understand the obvious logic

Conservatives ...... ten years in power and still blaming everyone else.

 

[mcfc1632]

Conservatives ...... ten years in power and still blaming everyone else.

I am not a Conservative

I am just capable of objective analysis as nd unbiased thinking

 

[BobKowalski]

Interesting headlines around in recent days - a typical example:

"EU signals compromise possible in trade talks with the UK"

https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/br...-possible-in-trade-talks-with-the-uk-20200624

Seems to be further proof of:

"We will not see movement from the EU unless and until they are faced with the prospect of a viable walk-away option – and the political will to use it”

You should read the FT article the headline is based on. Contains the words ‘Johnson’ and ‘could consider a possible compromise’.