George Floyd murder / Derek Chauvin guilty of murder

Chris in London said:
Well, this is horseshit, isn’t it?

That isn’t how bail works at all. There is a presumption in favour of bail, but every case is reviewed on its individual merits.
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You words. The presumption is in favor of bail, thus absent of special circumstances bail will be granted. Yikes.
reasons why bail might be denied are not limited to absconding. They also include the potential for witness intimidation or tampering with evidence, the likelihood of further offences being committed whilst on bail, the seriousness of the offence charged and many other issues. An issue that may have arisen in this particular case is the risk to the accused if bail is denied (from other inmates).
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So special circumstances then? Ok.

You, like me and almost everyone else in this thread as it appears, apparently know nothing about the circumstances in which bail was granted. But hey ho, you announce that everyone gets bail “unless it’s a special case.”

Keep spouting your shite if you like, do forgive me if I don’t respond further.
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Yes, but since the presumption is in favor of bail, that's what is expected barring a special circumstance.

You sound like one of those who can disagree with himself in an empty room
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Not sure if this was racism or just stupidity worthy of Chf Wigham? Either way, it was in America, so hopefully that is where the protests will be..
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It's a bit shit isn't it? Nothing surprises me where US policing is concerned now.

Saying that though, the Peckham massive will be out in sympathy trying to smash the whatever they are trying to smash.
 
Ban-jani said:
No and nor should they.
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Perhaps I have misunderstood the tweet then. A man is dead, Murdered. by a cop and yet a so called Christian seems to delight in the fact that he is drug free ? the low life shames Christianity (I'm not a believer but my mam is, why should she be tarred with this nasty shit)
Why do people need to hate and tell others of their hate so fuelling further trouble. Can he not hide his hatred and prejudice ?
 
Blue Mist said:
Perhaps I have misunderstood the tweet then. A man is dead, Murdered. by a cop and yet a so called Christian seems to delight in the fact that he is drug free ? the low life shames Christianity (I'm not a believer but my mam is, why should she be tarred with this nasty shit)
Why do people need to hate and tell others of their hate so fuelling further trouble. Can he not hide his hatred and prejudice ?
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He doesn’t shame Christianity, he shames himself but yeah I agree, the man is clearly lacking morals.

But my point is he shouldn’t be deplatformed for his views.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Not sure if this was racism or just stupidity worthy of Chf Wigham? Either way, it was in America, so hopefully that is where the protests will be..
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Should Apathiad protests just been limited to South Africa? Injustice and predudice is injustice and predudice, the more protests the better, surely?

To suggest racism is an American problem or that 'we aren't as bad as America' is a pretty poor way to look at things
 
Dax777 said:
You words. The presumption is in favor of bail, thus absent of special circumstances bail will be granted. Yikes.

So special circumstances then? Ok.


Yes, but since the presumption is in favor of bail, that's what is expected barring a special circumstance.

You sound like one of those who can disagree with himself in an empty room
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And you sound like one of those people who just spouts shite because it accords with you worldview regardless of the facts.

PS your horseshit theory fails to explain why the other three accused were refused bail.
 
Blue Hefner said:
Should Apathiad protests just been limited to South Africa? Injustice and predudice is injustice and predudice, the more protests the better, surely?

To suggest racism is an American problem or that 'we aren't as bad as America' is a pretty poor way to look at things
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To compare the US today to Apartheid South Africa is also a poor way to look at it.

It’s also a bit of an insult to Mandela and the black people of SA too.
 
Blue Hefner said:
Should Apathiad protests just been limited to South Africa? Injustice and predudice is injustice and predudice, the more protests the better, surely?

To suggest racism is an American problem or that 'we aren't as bad as America' is a pretty poor way to look at things
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I absolutely suggest 'we aren't as bad as America'. Our police have their issues I'm sure, but nothing like over there. Probably more policemen hurt in this country by 'protesters' tbh and I'm sick of people importing issues to excuse themselves rioting at the weekends.
 
In the words of Winston Churchill......

‘ the fascists of tomorrow will call themselves anti fascist ‘

How right he was.
 
Chris in London said:
And you sound like one of those people who just spouts shite because it accords with you worldview regardless of the facts.

PS your horseshit theory fails to explain why the other three accused were refused bail.
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I'm not sure any of them were refused bail. Two of them (Lane and Kueng) are already out after posting bail. The other two have had bail figures set but haven't posted yet so remain in custody.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I absolutely suggest 'we aren't as bad as America'. Our police have their issues I'm sure, but nothing like over there. Probably more policemen hurt in this country by 'protesters' tbh and I'm sick of people importing issues to excuse themselves rioting at the weekends.
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Ive been reading a book on this very subject. We are quite happy to promote activists(usually dead ones) from America, happy to highlight police brutality in America and happy to show prisons full of black people in America - it is a way of the U.K. saying that racism is a US problem rather than a U.K. one

The U.K. massive problems with racism, we just don’t like to admit it or certainly do anything about it

Re Mandela/Apartheid, I hadn’t realised the influence Cuba had on ending it

Re rioting - if I Mrs Hef got killed in Police custody I would probably smash few shop windows. Then we end up in a discussion about people V property. Black people used to be property, of course. Did they get compensated, no. Did the ‘owners’ yes

Black people are more likely to be sectioned. Black kids more likely to be expelled, black people are more likely to be stopped and searched, black people are more likely to be pulled over, black people are more likely to end up in prison etc. That are what they are protesting about and if a few statues get spray painted, a few tellies get nicked then so be it. This is about historical and ongoing, global racial injustice
 
Blue Hefner said:
Ive been reading a book on this very subject. We are quite happy to promote activists(usually dead ones) from America, happy to highlight police brutality in America and happy to show prisons full of black people in America - it is a way of the U.K. saying that racism is a US problem rather than a U.K. one

The U.K. massive problems with racism, we just don’t like to admit it or certainly do anything about it

Re Mandela/Apartheid, I hadn’t realised the influence Cuba had on ending it

Re rioting - if I Mrs Hef got killed in Police custody I would probably smash few shop windows. Then we end up in a discussion about people V property. Black people used to be property, of course. Did they get compensated, no. Did the ‘owners’ yes

Black people are more likely to be sectioned. Black kids more likely to be expelled, black people are more likely to be stopped and searched, black people are more likely to be pulled over, black people are more likely to end up in prison etc. That are what they are protesting about and if a few statues get spray painted, a few tellies get nicked then so be it. This is about historical and ongoing, global racial injustice
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Fine, but I think the protesters here are being played by agit-prop on twitter rather than having thoughts and opinions of their own. Essentially radicalised and polarised into mindless herd behavior evidenced by the quick replacement of BLM protests by waring factions of rw and misc anti-establishment idiots here.
 
Dubai Blue said:
I'm not sure any of them were refused bail. Two of them (Lane and Kueng) are already out after posting bail. The other two have had bail figures set but haven't posted yet so remain in custody.
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You’re right about Kueng, but a grant of bail subject to conditions that cannot be met is essentially a refusal of bail.
 
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