Kalidou Koulibaly

Otamendi's Beard said:
I disagree. When defending as part of a unit you regularly have to adapt and change markers fluidly in your zone. As said, everyone knows where Mane will run and the centre half needs to ensure he's positioned well enough to prevent it.

Garcia has a similar turn of pace to Otamendi and against Liverpool, and many other elite teams, we need more speed in that position.

Garcia will be a good asset against 90% of other teams.
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When a ball is being played diagonally between the CB and RB, it is 100% the RB's responsibility, there's no ifs, buts or maybes. In that position with three strikers running in between defenders that's just obvious;

Mendy was positioned to stop the easy ball down the line, Laporte moving across to get goalside of Salah, Garcia moving across to get goalside of Firminho and Walker moving across to get goalside of Mane. It really is that simple.

Trying to blame Garcia for Mane getting in behind is embarrassing and just shows a complete lack of knowledge or someone purposefully trying to dig out a young player, it's bollocks.
 
Tugay One Cup said:
Sam Lee saying we've agreed terms with him but not given a formal offer to Napoli yet. They apparently want £72m.
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Is that not tapping up, i know the German league allows this but should that not read Napoli have allowed us to talk to Koulibaly, Personally i think it unlikely that City are going to pay £15 million plus a year before agents fees and wages on a player Napoli are desperate to get rid off, i think it more likely that if Pep can not find his Pique, he will look to midfield for his Kompany
 
Never like buys this. He is now too old. Wanted him when we got Mangala instead. Would have been worth it then. I don't think it is now. But it seems we are desperate for a CB. :(


I'd rather have Soyuncu at Leicester
 
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Dax777 said:
Never like buys this. He is now too old. Wanted him when we got Mangala instead. Would have been worth it then. I don't think it is now. But it seems we are desperate for a CB. :(


I'd rather have Soyuncu at Leicester
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I don't really see the issue when we've got two young academy centrebacks on the fringes of the first team. Especially when we're desperately lacking leadership.

When it comes to Aguero or a fullback in the not so distant future, I'd definitely want someone younger.
 
I would rather have Dunk a 1/3 of the fee a 1/4 of the wage, highly reliable in the league a captain a leader but miles too slow for Pep, playing a high back line, but then that is probably true of Koulibaly now
 
Tugay One Cup said:
I don't really see the issue when we've got two young academy centrebacks on the fringes of the first team. Especially when we're desperately lacking leadership.

When it comes to Aguero or a fullback in the not so distant future, I'd definitely want someone younger.
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I think Soyuncu is a better player going forward ( I'm projecting he will be). Being younger is just an added benefit. He has all the qualities you want in a CB. Leader, physicality, ball skills and Size. And he is younger. So he can be here for 7 years instead of 2
 
Dax777 said:
I think Soyuncu is a better player going forward ( I'm projecting he will be). Being younger is just an added benefit. He has all the qualities you want in a CB. Leader, physicality, ball skills and Size. And he is younger. So he can be here for 7 years instead of 2
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He's definitely not got the speed and I think that's a big bonus of Koulibaly with the way we play. Not that Soyuncu is a slouch but he's not got the standout pace of the other. Good player though.

And you seriously think we'd only get two years out of Koulibaly? I don't see any reason why we wouldn't expect five. I know you're extremely favourable to youth but it's not as if he's got a history of repetitive injuries.

For the role we need to fill (a Kompany and hopefully Otamendi replacement) I think he's absolutely perfect. I'd rather we splash the cash on a proven quality player than take another role of the dice on a promising talent.
 
ctid1894 said:
When a ball is being played diagonally between the CB and RB, it is 100% the RB's responsibility, there's no ifs, buts or maybes. In that position with three strikers running in between defenders that's just obvious;

Mendy was positioned to stop the easy ball down the line, Laporte moving across to get goalside of Salah, Garcia moving across to get goalside of Firminho and Walker moving across to get goalside of Mane. It really is that simple.

Trying to blame Garcia for Mane getting in behind is embarrassing and just shows a complete lack of knowledge or someone purposefully trying to dig out a young player, it's bollocks.
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Pointing out an area where a player needs to improve is not digging a young player out. In fact, I've always been an advocate of young players and I think Harwood Bellis will be a better player for us anyway.

You clearly don't understand how a defensive unit of players work together or cover / mark their own zone so I'll leave that with you.
 
salfordbluetrue said:
I would rather have Dunk a 1/3 of the fee a 1/4 of the wage, highly reliable in the league a captain a leader but miles too slow for Pep, playing a high back line, but then that is probably true of Koulibaly now
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The money is not coming out of your bank account so why do you give a fuck?

Lewis Dunk over Koulibally now I’ve heard it all.
 
Dax777 said:
I think Soyuncu is a better player going forward ( I'm projecting he will be). Being younger is just an added benefit. He has all the qualities you want in a CB. Leader, physicality, ball skills and Size. And he is younger. So he can be here for 7 years instead of 2
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We're do you get 2 from then?
 
salfordbluetrue said:
Is that not tapping up, i know the German league allows this but should that not read Napoli have allowed us to talk to Koulibaly, Personally i think it unlikely that City are going to pay £15 million plus a year before agents fees and wages on a player Napoli are desperate to get rid off, i think it more likely that if Pep can not find his Pique, he will look to midfield for his Kompany
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International rules only say club A has to INFORM club B before contacting one of their players.
It's a free world and we don't want to disallow communication, it just has to be transparent.

How else could you ever talk to players under contract?

Pep and Txiki had a lot of time during PL lockdown,
they will have made their phone calls I hope.
 
Tugay One Cup said:
He's definitely not got the speed and I think that's a big bonus of Koulibaly with the way we play. Not that Soyuncu is a slouch but he's not got the standout pace of the other. Good player though.

And you seriously think we'd only get two years out of Koulibaly? I don't see any reason why we wouldn't expect five. I know you're extremely favourable to youth but it's not as if he's got a history of repetitive injuries.

For the role we need to fill (a Kompany and hopefully Otamendi replacement) I think he's absolutely perfect. I'd rather we splash the cash on a proven quality player than take another role of the dice on a promising talent.
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When I say 2, I mean at his peak. This season shows he is already slipping from the peak of 2-3 years ago. It might just be a 1 year dip. But at most I project 2 more years at the top. Soyuncu is just scratching the surface of his peak. So he has 7 years of top notch football left at the minimum.

Also, Soyuncu is quite fast. He is kinda like Eric. He is is also more flexible and has loser hips. Turns better. And takes better angles. All attributes that make you play faster than your straight vline speed. In possession, he is also better. Koulbaly is stronger and more Physical. But the difference is marginal.

And here is the real kicker. Soyuncu is a more natural leader. Oozes it like Kompany.
 
Dax777 said:
Never like buys this. He is now too old. Wanted him when we got Mangala instead. Would have been worth it then. I don't think it is now. But it seems we are desperate for a CB. :(


I'd rather have Soyuncu at Leicester
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St.Pauli support said:
International rules only say club A has to INFORM club B before contacting one of their players.
It's a free world and we don't want to disallow communication, it just has to be transparent.

How else could you ever talk to players under contract?

Pep and Txiki had a lot of time during PL lockdown,
they will have made their phone calls I hope.
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I know that is the case in Germany we had that with Sane, but in England you do have to ask the club for permission to talk to players, as with liverpool getting caught tapping up VVD
 
salfordbluetrue said:
I would rather have Dunk a 1/3 of the fee a 1/4 of the wage, highly reliable in the league a captain a leader but miles too slow for Pep, playing a high back line, but then that is probably true of Koulibaly now
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Reading this was more painful on my eyes than the time I watched Mangala passing comps on YouTube.
 
Dax777 said:
When I say 2, I mean at his peak. This season shows he is already slipping from the peak of 2-3 years ago. It might just be a 1 year dip. But at most I project 2 more years at the top. Soyuncu is just scratching the surface of his peak. So he has 7 years of top notch football left at the minimum.

Also, Soyuncu is quite fast. He is kinda like Eric. He is is also more flexible and has loser hips. Turns better. And takes better angles. All attributes that make you play faster than your straight vline speed. In possession, he is also better. Koulbaly is stronger and more Physical. But the difference is marginal.

And here is the real kicker. Soyuncu is a more natural leader. Oozes it like Kompany.
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Are you really comparing Koulibaly and Soyuncu?


One is World class the other isn’t even close...
 
Dax777 said:
Never like buys this. He is now too old. Wanted him when we got Mangala instead. Would have been worth it then. I don't think it is now. But it seems we are desperate for a CB. :(


I'd rather have Soyuncu at Leicester
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He’s not even the best defender at Leicester.
 
Super Joey Hart said:
The money is not coming out of your bank account so why do you give a fuck?

Lewis Dunk over Koulibally now I’ve heard it all.
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Why are you asking me, cost per year is how City view players and their value to City, if we sign Koulibaly at these figures he becomes our most expensive player, would he become our best, is it a position where costs represent team performance, or even value on kit sales or image rights
 
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