UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[@BluePhil8]

Andy Jacobs is a lifelong Chelsea fan. You’re thinking of Andy Goldstein

Ah that sounds right - got confused because I thought Cundy was the only Chelsea fan

 

[petrusha]

Thanks for your take on it P..
I have learnt to have faith in our current owners after they carried out a business plan professionally unlike the owning chancers of yesteryear so any guess would be for that reason only.
Eventually the detail of any decision can hopefully be analysed and we can see if our blind faith was justified.

I've always been inclined to trust the line coming from City unless or until a factual basis emerges in the public domain that suggests I shouldn't. But I also think that the Adjudicatory Chamber, which ultimately imposed this severe sanction, is composed of extremely serious individuals, so I keep thinking that they must have had some cause for taking the action they did. At the end of all this, I want to understand what led them to impose the ban.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

It would just make City a cause celebre. It's clearly a rigged system. We're asked to believe that City agreed a sponsorship with Etihad for £8m pa and that the rest came from Sheikh mansour.

Whilst I agree that £8m would be a farcically low sum for Etihad to contribute, those emails, the content of which City have not denied, would seem to indicate precisely that.....albeit that we don’t know the context, eg. was it a one off due to the airline’s financial circumstances that year etc etc

 

[Semper aggressus]

If this goes the wrong way, is there any reason why we couldn't appeal and take our case to a proper court, one with no connection to football or sport, more like a high power court in the US for example and sue UEFA for restriction of trade, and the bastard clubs who signed the letter against us for defamation of brand, something like that?

We have done nothing wrong apart from having the money to upset their cosy cartel.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Yes, I was very disappointed as he's usually fair with us, but this seems weird to me. I just don't understand why fans of Newcastle, Wolves etc don't see the bigger picture - are they really that clueless?

To be fair, we are pretty unique as a fanbase in having felt obliged to study the minutiae of FFP in the way that we have, in order to combat the onslaught from cnuts like the Harris twins....

 

[cityzen81]

I've always been inclined to trust the line coming from City unless or until a factual basis emerges in the public domain that suggests I shouldn't. But I also think that the Adjudicatory Chamber, which ultimately imposed this severe sanction, is composed of extremely serious individuals, so I keep thinking that they must have had some cause for taking the action they did. At the end of all this, I want to understand what led them to impose the ban.

This is exactly what has me worried.

One of the said individuals that imposed our sanctions was Charles Flint QC and he also serves at Blackstone Chambers who we retained the services of.

If he is of the conclusion we did wrong it must not be as cut and dry as we make out.

However CAS have been very critical of the AC in past so who knows

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Straying off-topic - but I am not enjoying seeing Micah on BBC or SKY - he seems desperate to be 'neutral' and is often too far the other way

It is a bit like he knows (or has been told) that to be a 'repeat booking' he needs not to be 'pro-CITY and big up the likes of the Scum and Redscouse

I haven’t formed that impression of him. I think he’s been a breath of fresh air on there, and he’s already been recorded on one of the Sky broadcasts saying how much he loves the club.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

If that is your view then what did Khaldoon mean when he said "in the first instance" when we appealed to CAS originally. My view is that the owners are prepared to contest this ban and fine to the bitter end.

Projectriver has highlighted, with fairly inarguable reason, several times on here why this (CAS) is likely to be the end of the line in terms of legal challenges

 

[richards30]

Watch this space.

why do you say it with conviction though?

 

[SilverFox2]

I've always been inclined to trust the line coming from City unless or until a factual basis emerges in the public domain that suggests I shouldn't. But I also think that the Adjudicatory Chamber, which ultimately imposed this severe sanction, is composed of extremely serious individuals, so I keep thinking that they must have had some cause for taking the action they did. At the end of all this, I want to understand what led them to impose the ban.

The possibility is I suppose that the g## control that chamber as well as other decisions. By that I mean in business we have good legal advice but if we are foolhardy or like a gamble to justify our personal feelings we ignore it against all this sound advice.
Maybe the House of Cards will be exposed as exactly for cosmetic appearance and the g## dog tail wags the UEFA decision making or maybe there is some substance in their decision?
The other possibility is that our owner has decided enough is enough and instructs against advice for once in his life. Unlikely now that we have equity partners but possible.

 

[M18CTID]

I've always been inclined to trust the line coming from City unless or until a factual basis emerges in the public domain that suggests I shouldn't. But I also think that the Adjudicatory Chamber, which ultimately imposed this severe sanction, is composed of extremely serious individuals, so I keep thinking that they must have had some cause for taking the action they did. At the end of all this, I want to understand what led them to impose the ban.

That broadly squares with my view. Someone mentioned blind faith but it’s always been at the back of my mind that maybe, just maybe, the club could be bang to rights and they’re playing a huge game of bluff by claiming they’ve done nothing wrong. However, until someone can show me the evidence of that, I’m putting my trust in them. What football fan wouldn’t? And that’s what makes me laugh with all these dickhead journalists and bitter opposition fans - do they seriously expect us to back UEFA over our own club while this process is still ongoing?

As you say though, there are some serious players in the AC which is a worry. Then again, they’re working on behalf of UEFA so is it beyond the realms of possibility that they came to a decision that suits UEFA?

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

Watch this space.

Do you know something?

 

[madden150]

The possibility is I suppose that the g## control that chamber as well as other decisions. By that I mean in business we have good legal advice but if we are foolhardy or like a gamble to justify our personal feelings we ignore it against all this sound advice.
Maybe the House of Cards will be exposed as exactly for cosmetic appearance and the g## dog wags the UEFA decision making or maybe there is some substance in their decision?
The other possibility is that our owner has decided enough is enough and instructs against advice for once in his life. Unlikely now that we have equity partners but possible.

The club claiming we have irrefutable evidence proving against any wrong doing is a pretty big statement. If this is correct and has been proven to CAS, surely we should be fine. The club always said they had the evidence but UEFA wouldn't wait.

 

[Keeper!]

Watch this space.

Spill the beans Big man

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

That broadly squares with my view. Someone mentioned blind faith but it’s always been at the back of my mind that maybe, just maybe, the club could be bang to rights and they’re playing a huge game of bluff by claiming they’ve done nothing wrong. However, until someone can show me the evidence of that, I’m putting my trust in them. What football fan wouldn’t? And that’s what makes me laugh with all these dickhead journalists and bitter opposition fans - do they seriously expect us to back UEFA over our own club while this process is still ongoing?

As you say though, there are some serious players in the AC which is a worry. Then again, they’re working on behalf of UEFA so is it beyond the realms of possibility that they came to a decision that suits UEFA?

It depends on what basis the AC came to its conclusion, and what evidence it was based on. The AC could have made a legitimate judgement based on the case the IC pushed through to it, but it doesn't mean that it was making a judgement on all the facts. This would square with needing reform of the chambers and failure of process between the two chambers.

 

[Norbiton]

This is exactly what has me worried.

One of the said individuals that imposed our sanctions was Charles Flint QC and he also serves at Blackstone Chambers who we retained the services of.

If he is of the conclusion we did wrong it must not be as cut and dry as we make out.

However CAS have been very critical of the AC in past so who knows

We don't know Flint was on the panel, he's one of five members and they only need three to actually participate. Given his UAE connections he might well have recused himself.

 

[Keeper!]

We don't know Flint was on the panel, he's one of five members and they only need three to actually participate. Given his UAE connections he might well have recused himself.

I was about to say, surly a conflict of interests if we still use Blackstone Chambers.

 

[jaiguruKun]

Anyone else have a constant sick feeling in their stomach over this? This club puts its fans through more stress than any other...it's why we love 'em I suppose.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

I've always been inclined to trust the line coming from City unless or until a factual basis emerges in the public domain that suggests I shouldn't. But I also think that the Adjudicatory Chamber, which ultimately imposed this severe sanction, is composed of extremely serious individuals, so I keep thinking that they must have had some cause for taking the action they did. At the end of all this, I want to understand what led them to impose the ban.

I think that’s everyone’s concern. The trouble is we don’t know how City’s “non-cooperation” at the IC stage manifested itself. Did we produce our fully audited accounts? Did we produce other credible evidence to undermine the content of those emails? Part of me thinks we must have done - which wouldn’t be good news as it would mean they saw our evidence, weren’t convinced by it, and ruled against us anyway - if only to head the potential for disaster off at the earliest opportunity, but equally I suppose it could be that we decided we would never get a fair hearing out of UEFA regardless and decided to put our faith in CAS instead. I’d need @projectriver to confirm what’s likely and what isn’t though.....

 

[KS55]

Squeaky bum time.