#9 | Gabriel Jesus - 2019/20 Performances

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simon23 said:
Its not about not liking him.....and he has tonnes of positives (as you say work rate as well as link up play, pressing from the front etc) BUT when the chips are down you sometimes need a goal scorer and GJ has shown over thelast few seasons that the vat majority of his goals are laid on a plate for him (and while this takes undoubted talent with his movement in the box) the best strikers are far much ore than that...all strikers will get those goals from 6-8 yds out if their movement is good enough (and Jesus' is) BUT strikers like Kun, Henry, drogba, Mane make their own goals as well.

Pep in a recent interview whenasked about missing aguero sand he satarted talking about Jesus in connection with this. He said something abou things you have with Kun that you dont get with Jesus and things you hae with Jesus that you dont get with Kun...I think we ALL know what those are:

Jesus - better at pressing and defending from the front. Higher work rate and better link up play (though Kuns has improved massively). Poor finisher in comparrison

Kun - Lethal finisher - will score goals from everywhere. puts fear into defenders......lacks the pressing/work rate of GJ but gives you goals and is much more of a cleaner striker of the ball and when the chips are down is much more likely to grab you a goal.
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Except minutes per goal between Gabby and Aguero are pretty close.
 
I’ve been a big fan of his and thought he’d make the jump but he’s just not flashing a strikers instinct. He’s not finding the jammy goals, not finding pockets, nothing is coming off. It’s not a matter of not being Aguero and more a matter of just not being effective enough. That match today was one where you just need a striker to find one.
 
simon23 said:
right sided attacker from what Ive seen

did you see his goals yesterday?
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yeahs,he's very clinical. First game of his that I watched yesterday.

but is he just an inside forward then? or can he dribble like a winger?

because all I keep hearing when I see people praise Greenwood is that
"He's an amazing finisher and 2 footed"

is he a bit like Rashford? In the sense that he's neither a winger or a striker type of thing?
 
He wasn't a natural finisher when he joined us, still isn't now, and don't think he'll ever be. There isn't that killer instinct for goal.

He's a classic Brazilian flair player, with bags of tricks and who loves to run at people, but that's being coached out of him. Pep is trying to turn him into something he's not and it isn't working. If we played him on the wing exclusively we'd get a lot better value out of him.
 
Ezzy said:
is he a bit like Rashford? In the sense that he's neither a winger or a striker type of thing?
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He's a centreforward that temporary plugs the hole on the right, as Daniel James is bang average. He'll move inside once he matures a bit
 
His runs are a second too soon or a second too late. Either offside or a brilliant cross just flashes inches in front of him. Not sure what is up with the lad since we started up again. Maybe he needs to relax a little bit as he looks like the cares of the world are on his shoulder just now.
 
ws01 said:
He wasn't a natural finisher when he joined us, still isn't now, and don't think he'll ever be. There isn't that killer instinct for goal.

He's a classic Brazilian flair player, with bags of tricks and who loves to run at people, but that's being coached out of him. Pep is trying to turn him into something he's not and it isn't working. If we played him on the wing exclusively we'd get a lot better value out of him.
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I don’t see the flair bit. Occasional flick but Neymar, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Robinho were flair players.
 
Tb1981 said:
Another one we need to sell and replace
This squad just needs freshening up
Jesus, Zinchenko, Silva, Sane, otamendi bravo and stones will all need replacing
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fully agree. I would even throw fern & gundy into this list sadly due to age & being slow.
 
Blue Hefner said:
9 games without a goal is criminal when you are in the same team as Silva, De Bruyne etc
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That's such a bullshit stat.

For a start, it's 8 games. Secondly he only started 5 of them, and one of those he was not playing up front.

And if you look at his last 10 games, it includes the only goal of the game vs. Leicester and the goal in the Champions League last 16, 2 massive goals.
 
Tb1981 said:
Another one we need to sell and replace
This squad just needs freshening up
Jesus, Zinchenko, Silva, Sane, otamendi bravo and stones will all need replacing
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You don’t sell him with our current situation. We’ve lost Sane and will lose Silva this season and probably Agüero next. With our defensive issues you can’t just replace half the team, nor is it realistic.

We do need to use Jesus differently though and we will need a proper out and out striker to replace Agüero. Jesus should be used as a wide player, second striker or a false nine. Just smashing balls into him in the middle of a packed area isn’t gonna work.
 
domalino said:
That's such a bullshit stat.

For a start, it's 8 games. Secondly he only started 5 of them, and one of those he was not playing up front.

And if you look at his last 10 games, it includes the only goal of the game vs. Leicester and the goal in the Champions League last 16, 2 massive goals.
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I accpet he has a decent run before lockdown but he hasn't followed it up. He is simply not up to it, in my opinion and I've had that opinion for about 18 months if not longer so this is not some knee-jerk post
 
ws01 said:
He wasn't a natural finisher when he joined us, still isn't now, and don't think he'll ever be. There isn't that killer instinct for goal.

He's a classic Brazilian flair player, with bags of tricks and who loves to run at people, but that's being coached out of him. Pep is trying to turn him into something he's not and it isn't working. If we played him on the wing exclusively we'd get a lot better value out of him.
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He can't control the ball.
 
Blue Hefner said:
I accpet he has a decent run before lockdown but he hasn't followed it up. He is simply not up to it, in my opinion and I've had that opinion for about 18 months if not longer so this is not some knee-jerk post
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He suffers with the comparison to Aguero, and clearly has confidence issues at times, but objectively he's a huge asset to the side.

This season he's scored 18 and has 11 assists - 29 total at something like one every 88 mins.

De Bruyne has 13 goals and 20 assists - 33 total at one every 95 mins.

Yet, one is the best player in the country and the other is a liability?

He also compares favourably with the other favourite for player of the year, Sadio Mane - 32 goals/assists at one every 106 minutes.

Looking at the match history on whoscored as it's a nice visual way of showing how so many players score/assist in clusters then have slower patches. Again, De Bruyne had a run of 11 starts earlier this season with just 3 goal contributions - that's a lot worse than Jesus' last 11 starts.

His contribution is really impressive, and as Pep's suggested many times, his overall contribution to our pressing/possession game is better than Sergio's. Sergio is the most effective striker in Premier League history, so it's unlikely anyone would match up, but he's as successful as just about anyone else in the league.
 
Totally agree with these comments
People say he works hard and runs all day .
So would Paula Radcliffe but you wouldn’t put her up front .
Needs gone this summer
he has had long enough now and we need that extra edge if we are to challenge again next season. we really miss Sergio and need to bring a striker in to learn from him before he goes home .
 
manygoose said:
Apart from his goal at Burnley, I cant remember a goal scored by him out of nothing.
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yeah, I remember thinking "where the hell did that come from?", and that's not what you want to think about your Brazilian #9.

By contrast, 20 years ago Ronaldo was 23 and had just started picking up his crippling injuries.

So to contrast Jesus at end of this season, versus Ronaldo at end of 1999/00 season.

League Apps: Ronaldo - 155, Jesus - 143.
League Goals: Ronaldo - 130, Jesus - 53.
Total Club Apps: Ronaldo - 236, Jesus - 226.
Total Club Goals: Ronaldo - 197, Jesus - 91.
Int. Apps: Ronaldo - 54, Jesus - 39.
Int. Goals: Ronaldo - 36, Jesus - 18.

Cumulative Total:
Ronaldo Apps: 290, Goals: 233.
Jesus Apps: 265, Goals: 109.

We were promised the next Brazilian #9. We got him, though we were expecting Ronaldo and got Fred.
 
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