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west didsblue said:
Of course Honda said that. There are plenty of political reasons why they would downplay the role of Brexit. Doesn’t mean that Brexit wasn’t a factor as evidenced by previous comments.
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Oh so, when a company says "Brexit did not influence our decision", that same companies representative states "Brexit did not influence the decision" but a journalist with a biased viewpoint at an equally biased publication states otherwise, you automatically believe the journalist and not the company itself, yes?

You can make as many speculations as you want; show me a statement by Honda that says brexit has influenced our decision to make our cars back in Japan.
 
To bring this boring discussion from 2019 to an end Brexit has no negative consequences and if there are we knew all about them in 2016 and we’re happy to live with them because it’s what we want. The only source of absolute truth is the Daily Express.
 
west didsblue said:
To bring this boring discussion from 2019 to an end Brexit has no negative consequences and if there are we knew all about them in 2016 and we’re happy to live with them because it’s what we want. The only source of absolute truth is the Daily Express.
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And there you go bouncing to the other extreme of silliness like a fucking big baby spitting its dummy out. There are a huge range of views in between everything about brexit is shit/brilliant, but you seem too emotionally hurt by brexit itself to consider them. You do yourself a disservice.
 
west didsblue said:
To bring this boring discussion from 2019 to an end Brexit has no negative consequences and if there are we knew all about them in 2016 and we’re happy to live with them because it’s what we want. The only source of absolute truth is the Daily Express.
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For (hopefully) the last time...
Brexit WILL have SOME negative consequences, but none of the ones I highlighted that you mentioned are Brexit related, yet you claimed they were. Hopefully you will now retract that.

SOME of the negative consequences of Brexit will not be seen by those who supported leaving the EU as being AS negative as those who supported remaining. Those AGAINST the consequences, portraying those consequences as "not being worth leaving" will not be a viewpoint shared by those on the opposing viewpoint. When remainers do this, it is seen as "project fear". That's not to suggest that these events won't play out, but that they will not be regarded as "awful" as remainers would see them to be.

That is why it is pointless for a remainer to ask a leave voter "on the benefits of brexit", because you're wholeheartedly against the decision.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
And there you go bouncing to the other extreme of silliness like a fucking big baby spitting its dummy out. There are a huge range of views in between everything about brexit is shit/brilliant, but you seem too emotionally hurt by brexit itself to consider them. You do yourself a disservice.
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MB latched on to a minor part of a discussion with KHW and wouldn’t let it go. KHW had asked for Project Fear items and decided to take the piss instead of discussing them. I really can’t be arsed arguing about a topic from last year where there were mixed messages. So I’m sorry if you think I’m being silly. Not like you’d ever do anything like that.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
For (hopefully) the last time...
Brexit WILL have SOME negative consequences, but none of the ones I highlighted that you mentioned are Brexit related, yet you claimed they were. Hopefully you will now retract that.

SOME of the negative consequences of Brexit will not be seen by those who supported leaving the EU as being AS negative as those who supported remaining. Those AGAINST the consequences, portraying those consequences as "not being worth leaving" will not be a viewpoint shared by those on the opposing viewpoint. When remainers do this, it is seen as "project fear". That's not to suggest that these events won't play out, but that they will not be regarded as "awful" as remainers would see them to be.

That is why it is pointless for a remainer to ask a leave voter "on the benefits of brexit", because you're wholeheartedly against the decision.
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So you agree with the ones you didn’t highlight?
 
west didsblue said:
MB latched on to a minor part of a discussion with KHW and wouldn’t let it go. KHW had asked for Project Fear items and decided to take the piss instead of discussing them. I really can’t be arsed arguing about a topic from last year where there were mixed messages. So I’m sorry if you think I’m being silly. Not like you’d ever do anything like that.
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I called you out inaccuracies and you've rallied against being corrected despite the evidence being provided for you.
 
west didsblue said:
So you agree with the ones you didn’t highlight?
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Oh for fucks sake... no. Because the FTSE as much more influencing it than just brexit. And £10tn of assets? That's a new one on me. But we'll have to agree to disagree on those two points, I was more focused on the glaring inaccurate statements abotu Nissan, Honda and Norton.

SO, Are. you. going. to. admit. you. were. wrong. about. Norton. and. Honda?
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Oh for fucks sake... no. Because the FTSE as much more influencing it than just brexit. And £10tn of assets? That's a new one on me. But we'll have to agree to disagree on those two points, I was more focused on the glaring inaccurate statements abotu Nissan, Honda and Norton.

SO, Are. you. going. to. admit. you. were. wrong. about. Norton. and. Honda?
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Put your dummy back in.

You have a different opinion. It happens.
 
west didsblue said:
That’s how you see it.
I see it differently.
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It's not how I "see it", it's the obvious, documented fact that Norton did not enter into administration because of Brexit. None of the decisions the company made in the run up to it's collapse were in any way related to brexit influenced decisions, they were made 4 years earlier. The seeds were already sewn. Funnily enough, now we've left, the company has just been rescued by a non-EU based company and it's future does indeed look much brighter now the UK is out of the EU. Funny old world, innit!

Its like debating with a Scouser, this.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
It's not how I "see it", it's the obvious, documented fact that Norton did not enter into administration because of Brexit. None of the decisions the company made in the run up to it's collapse were in any way related to brexit influenced decisions, they were made 4 years earlier. The seeds were already sewn. Funnily enough, now we've left, the company has just been rescued by a non-EU based company and it's future does indeed look much brighter now the UK is out of the EU. Funny old world, innit!

Its like debating with a Scouser, this.
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It’s quite possible that Brexit was one of a number of factors. It might not even be the main one but you can’t rule it out based on a couple of politically motivated management statements.

It’s like debating with a 12 year old, this.
 
west didsblue said:
Put your dummy back in.

You have a different opinion. It happens.
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So you're not going to admit you were obviously wrong about Honda's reason for moving production, despite the company explaining its reasons publicly, Nissan's reasons for ending production of the X-Trail, and Norton Motorcycles and the reasons it went into administration, despite an article from a motorcycle based publication that linked to its situation, detailing its problems and its eventual recovery...

And you're going to put this down to "a difference of opinions". Priceless.
 
west didsblue said:
It’s quite possible that Brexit was one of a number of factors. It might not even be the main one but you can’t rule it out based on a couple of politically motivated management statements.
It’s like debating with a 12 year old, this.
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"It's quite possible that.."
I've already told you, it wasn't. The seeds of it's demise were already sewn, and none of the factors were or have been attributed to being influenced ,or a reaction to brexit, by anyone involved with the situation or those who know about it.

Your could also state that Norton's failure in 2012 was also down to... ISIS. I mean there is nothing connecting the two together, but hey, anything goes in Diddyland!
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
So you're not going to admit you were obviously wrong about Honda's reason for moving production, despite the company explaining its reasons publicly, Nissan's reasons for ending production of the X-Trail, and Norton Motorcycles and the reasons it went into administration, despite an article from a motorcycle based publication that linked to its situation, detailing its problems and its eventual recovery...

And you're going to put this down to "a difference of opinions". Priceless.
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https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/...d-nissan-scraps-plan-build-x-trail-sunderland
Brexit was a factor with the X-Trail decision.
I’ve already said enough about Norton and Honda and there’s enough conflicting information to make it impossible to be unequivocal.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
"It's quite possible that.."
I've already told you, it wasn't. The seeds of it's demise were already sewn, and none of the factors were or have been attributed to being influenced ,or a reaction to brexit, by anyone involved with the situation or those who know about it.

Your could also state that Norton's failure in 2012 was also down to... ISIS. I mean there is nothing connecting the two together, but hey, anything goes in Diddyland!
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Oh, you’ve told me have you. Well forgive me for not taking the word of some guy sat in a Gorton bedsit posting links to articles that back his view when there’s an equal number that say something different.
 
west didsblue said:
Oh, you’ve told me have you. Well forgive me for not taking the word of some guy sat in a Gorton bedsit posting links to articles that back his view when there’s an equal number that say something different.
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Yeah, it does appear that I have, and its really bothered you for some reason.

Have you got me confused with Gorton_Tubster? and are you back to acting childish again? :)
 
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