COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[BlueAnorak]

If it reduces the infection rate and maintains the low levels we have now then what’s the issue ?

pub industry is different, most can socially distance and sit in gardens and you go there for a nice time

Shopping is mainly essential, inside and smaller space between people, so yes, face masks make total sense and your comparison is moaning for the sake of it.

You probably should wear one when you walk around in a pub. Tuck it under your chin when you're sat down and drinking. That's what I did yesterday anyway.

 

[ColinBellsjockstrap]

 

[purplenose]

I thought that myself until I had to spend a week in hospital recently, after half a day it felt perfectly normal and fine.

I used to wear one for work years ago, dreadful things. Like I say maybe necessary in some places and if so you cannot argue against it. For me I will do my upmost to avoid the places where this is deemed the way it has to be. Quite a few will be the same and I think the high street will suffer...it will even send a fair few self proclaimed technophobes I know over to the dark side of shopping online.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I used to wear one for work years ago, dreadful things. Like I say maybe necessary in some places and if so you cannot argue against it. For me I will do my upmost to avoid the places where this is deemed the way it has to be. Quite a few will be the same and I think the high street will suffer...it will even send a fair few self proclaimed technophobes I know over to the dark side of shopping online.

i think most have adjusted fairly well and and it will be the norm in a few weeks time

 

[Mon Autre]

It’s us as a culture , we don’t like being told what to do - government know it will be chaos if they force major changes over night so have to slowly bed it in

I think this whole idea that we won't be told what to do is just another example of us believing we are somehow special or unique in this country when we really aren't. It also allows the government to take a very lazy approach by refusing to take a lead on things on the basis that the UK people simply won't accept it. I think other cultures in Europe have more of a track record for resisting being told what to do than we do, but they've been able to accept what's being asked of them here. Stronger and more decisive leadership with clearer messaging would have gotten more people on board than the government cares to admit. The thing is, they've been so half arsed and flip flopped over the mask thing that it just doesn't seem important to a lot of people here now and they don't believe it's necessary.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

well. They’ve not made it over night. That’s the point.

Will come into affect in a couple weeks.

I don’t mind criticism at the Goverment but they are clearly taking advice from scientists and other areas, so for a joe bloggs just to label them ‘wankers that don’t have a clue’ is a pointless petty cliched remark

A Joe Bloggs? High quality comment there to someone you’ve never met.
Tell you what though, they’re wearing masks in 120 countries and we’ve got the 3rd highest number of deaths in the world but we will keep waiting. As for ‘clearly taking advice from scientists’, where have you been for 5 months? Germany, best European Covid performer, masks compulsory for shopping on April 22. France May 10, Spain May 20, Austria April 6. We keep waiting for evidence instead of using the ‘precautionary principle’ which is what you’d imagine you’d use if you had a novel virus (novel, in this case means new, not a big book), and there was no actual evidence. Or, you might find a country of a similar population who suffered SARS and seem to have the virus under control and follow what they’re doing. If only South Korea existed.
Of course, whilst they can rely on you to keep spouting they’re ‘doing their best’ they’ll keep getting away with it.
As for your comment about we ‘won’t do it’, presumably because we’re English? (BoJo thought the virus would stay away because of that, so maybe your are not to blame there). There just needs to be a clear, consistent message from them. Gove, senior cabinet minister, yesterday insisted it wouldn’t be compulsory. Johnson today said they’d decide in the next few days on compulsion. Tonight, it’s compulsory, coppers have to enforce it and there’s a £100 fine (reduced to £50 if paid within two weeks) starting on the 24th, which is a Friday.
What’s unforgivable is that they’re actually getting worse.

 

[purplenose]

i think most have adjusted fairly well and and it will be the norm in a few weeks time

We will see but I think it will hit the high street hard. Everything these days is a ball ache as it is, post covid its going to be worse and I really do think many of us cant be arsed with it and will just stay away. Even if its just a few quid a week that no longer gets spent I dont think its going to help the high street or indeed the wider economy.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

I’m going to shop on line as much as possible from now on.
Fuck the high street.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

Should have been brought in a lot sooner possibly 6 weeks ago to get infections down a lot quicker. Surely there would be more chance of catching it down the boozer when people get pissed up and completely forget social distancing after having a few. We’ve now got a 3 month window now before temperatures start to drop, pray it’s a dry and mild autumn.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

24th seems a long time away I appreciate some people won't have a mask at the moment but most will.

Like most things we seem to be fire fighting rather than reactive I'd have thought Monday would have been a realistic day to bring this in.

 

[BigOscar]

Should have been brought in a lot sooner possibly 6 weeks ago to get infections down a lot quicker. Surely there would be more chance of catching it down the boozer when people get pissed up and completely forget social distancing after having a few. We’ve now got a 3 month window now before temperatures start to drop, pray it’s a dry and mild autumn.

Yeah getting this in a month before reopening the pubs would have been a no brainer tbh, so you had a much smaller amount of potentially infectious people getting pissed in the pubs when they opened. That would have been the far more effective way of doing it, but anything that will help is good, even if it's not even close to perfect

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

Yeah getting this in a month before reopening the pubs would have been a no brainer tbh, so you had a much smaller amount of potentially infectious people getting pissed in the pubs when they opened. That would have been the far more effective way of doing it, but anything that will help is good, even if it's not even close to perfect

Why just retail surely this should be mandatory in the work place? You sit next to someone in close proximity in an office for 8-9 hours a day surely upping the chances of transmission. In normal circumstances how many occasions do we see bugs going round offices making people go off sick?

 

[Northernstorirs]

The government really are a shambles. They are implementing a rule (not until 24th July) which should have been in place a month a go.

I read a tweet which said something on the lines of "this is like making me where a condom after I've already got the Mrs pregnant".

 

[True_Blue69]

One group of people will be happy, free for all!

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

 

[Mon Autre]

Why just retail surely this should be mandatory in the work place? You sit next to someone in close proximity in an office for 8-9 hours a day surely upping the chances of transmission. In normal circumstances how many occasions do we see bugs going round offices making people go off sick?

I agree that sitting in close proximity for 8-9hrs in an office is also a risk but masks shouldn't be the solution for that. For me, this is yet another failing of the government, there are no checks or reporting procedures in place to keep workplaces in check. A lot of office work can be done from home so good employers should be keeping the work from home option in place indefinitely for those who can and are managing to work from home. Or if not everything can be done from home, workplaces should be encouraged to only bring in half the workforce on any one day, so that distancing can be maintained and public transport journeys are halved. Problem is, the PM is now saying everyone should go back to work (even if you can do it from home) because they want office workers to stimulate the economy by spending £5 on a panini or something every lunchtime. Really, we should be preparing for the second wave now and looking at ways we can go about our lives in a more scaled back but much more sustainable way. Once again though, they are burying their heads in the sand. Now herd immunity without a vaccine seems to be off the table I don't think they have any strategy in place to deal with the second wave.

 

[vincent]

The government really are a shambles. They are implementing a rule (not until 24th July) which should have been in place a month a go.

I read a tweet which said something on the lines of "this is like making me where a condom after I've already got the Mrs pregnant".

And let’s not forget; it was only a few months ago that they were saying face masks make little difference and there is no scientific evidence to prove they do (even though most other European countries were saying the opposite).

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

I agree that sitting in close proximity for 8-9hrs in an office is also a risk but masks shouldn't be the solution for that. For me, this is yet another failing of the government, there are no checks or reporting procedures in place to keep workplaces in check. A lot of office work can be done from home so good employers should be keeping the work from home option in place indefinitely for those who can and are managing to work from home. Or if not everything can be done from home, workplaces should be encouraged to only bring in half the workforce on any one day, so that distancing can be maintained and public transport journeys are halved. Problem is, the PM is now saying everyone should go back to work (even if you can do it from home) because they want office workers to stimulate the economy by spending £5 on a panini or something every lunchtime. Really, we should be preparing for the second wave now and looking at ways we can go about our lives in a more scaled back but much more sustainable way. Once again though, they are burying their heads in the sand. Now herd immunity without a vaccine seems to be off the table I don't think they have any strategy in place to deal with the second wave.

If you look at daily infections they are plateauing around the 500-600 a day. I can’t see this getting down into double digits by the time autumn begins, they must have had a change in mindset on the data on infections going up with a temperature drop. The NHS will probably have to go round 2 with this virus until a vaccine rocks up in 2021. They are better prepared this time with new treatments and the experience they have gained since March which gives me hope.

 

[BlueAnorak]

And let’s not forget; it was only a few months ago that they were saying face masks make little difference and there is no scientific evidence to prove they do (even though most other European countries were saying the opposite).

That's because they were asking the wrong question: "Does a face covering protect an individual from catching the virus?". The question they should have been asking is: "Does a face covering protect others from someone wearing one."
The answer to the fist question is Marginally (-10% risk with good don/doff technique). The answer to the second question is hell yes - up to 75% less risk.
The difference between the selfish west and the the community orientated far east in a nutshell.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Ah, where American leads, Britain follows. Twitter full of morons reacting to the face mask rules by tweeting #muzzles. No doubt we'll see the same scenes of grown adults having temper tantrums in Tesco soon enough.