CAS judgement: UEFA ban overturned, City exonerated (report out p603)

Yes although maybe City had some guide from the conduct of the hearing.

I hope the media look into the UEFA investigatory process. How could they have prosecuted this case? It does seem to be a strong case of club bias overwhelming the regulatory process, and that really should not happen.

I am glad now that City went through the CAS process because for the first time we can say to the rest of football you were wrong, and you have been proven to be wrong. It was a draining process for us all.

Ziegler says that at the end of day 2, the club side were quite confident. There's already been a fair amount of comment about some of the CFCB thinking.

He writes that UEFA wanted punishment if guilty - but as @projectriver has written many times, if we were proven to have lied, then the high penalty was reasonable.
 
I’m as pleased as shit with the outcome. But let’s not forget a big reason is that the clock ran down on some offences so the club has to learn from and avoid those mistakes.

EDITED to add. I think the whole FFP was a Pulling The Ladder Up exercise by Old Money and should be abolished.

We can't possibly know this at this stage, given the information which has currently been made public.

That's what our critics in the media are attempting to set as the narrative, but it's nothing more than that until the full judgement is published - a fabricated media narrative, with no grounding in facts.

Don't buy their myopic agenda mate - surely all City fans have learned that by now.
 
The PL can't and won't do anything to City. That story will quietly disappear into the ether over the coming weeks.

Look at it like this - City's intransigence to the charges brought by UEFA made them go to war rather than seek ANY kind of settlement. The PL will absolutely NOT want to have one of it's top stakeholders going to war with it over historic financial issues when the club is so well run financially and so financially powerful.

Personally I think that every single reference I've seen to PL charges since yesterday's ruling is about appeasing the dumbest rival supporters who will cling to any hope that City are going to be 'stopped' by football's authorities.

PL will focus on getting United into 4th. Can’t come after us now. Several pens and a dodgy sending off the last game of the season will do it. Jonathan (have a penalty United Moss or Alta to ref that game for sure.
 
G Nev out here talking absolute sense, fair play to the twat:

'I said a few months ago, FFP would have prevented Jack Walker doing what he did 30 years ago at Blackburn,' he added.

'It's fundamentally wrong that there are restrictions placed on owners to put money into football clubs. Whether it's Chelsea, Man City or Blackburn, all those stories we've had in the Premier League over the last 20 years or so, the addition to challenging Manchester United, Arsenal and other clubs wouldn't have happened if FFP had been implemented in its truest form"

'I don't believe it's right. There has always been rich owners investing into football clubs and that won't change today. FFP needs changing to a different model.'
 
It is being widely reported that nobody associated with City knew the decision on Friday. Same at UEFA's side. It was genuinely given to both parties yesterday morning a couple of hours before it was published. That's kinda mental. We really did take a 'shit or bust' approach with this case.

Looking forward to the full judgment and Stefan's analysis of it. Will be interesting to see what it says, but my bet is it'll say more or less that everything in the leaks pre 2014 the panel simply couldn't look at, and the only post 2014 issue was the Etihad sponsorship deal which UEFA were never going to be able to prove anything about.

In the end it really was as simple as a lot of us thought it would be at the start in terms of what the main issues at play were.
If there is one lesson we all should have learned it is the fact that if something is being widely reported it doesn't mean it is true. This is a covenient angle for all those red-faced reporters who have been bollocked by their Newsdesks for being beaten to the biggest story of the year. It also suits City to leave this version out there.
 
The anti-city media said it is a big reason.

The cas ruling said Manchester city did not inflate sponsors deals.

The story is being totally rewritten imo and some (a lot) are falling for it.

Interesting because we have a PSG fan on here and the reality to their case is different to the headlines about them 'getting away with it'. So maybe the best we can hope for is the exoneration we got but the media propaganda gets worse.

There certainly seems to be an urge to recast "some charges excluded due to being timebarred" into "technical get-out so not innocent".

Also the weaselly "in breach of FFP regs" which is technically true, even though it's not a financial breach.
 
If there is one lesson we all should have learned it is the fact that if something is being widely reported it doesn't mean it is true. This is a covenient angle for all those red-faced reporters who have been bollocked by their Newsdesks for being beaten to the biggest story of the year. It also suits City to leave this version out there.

City as a general rule don't lie. If they knew on Friday, then that would've been via an official communication from CAS, and they'd have no reason to deny it today or to 'leave this version out there'. It's a COMPLETE non issue which is only really relevant in places where people made bold predictions on Friday.
 
I'm still at a loss to understanding why UEFA are allowed to break their own rules without criticism let alone similar financial penalties to the Clubs they choose to persecute.never mind prosecute.

Seems we have to give total cooperation to allow their case to proceed including matters excluded by their own 5 year rule.
Then we get fined but they get off free of cost penalty.
 
He has been good on this since last Christmas. Before that he, and the Times, were swallowing the UEFA line and were one of the recipients of leaks. I believe that they eventually realised they were being used to spread misinformation and since then their coverage has been mostly balanced and accurate. One of the leaks (from UEFA) about City facing a ban was shortly before Ceferin's trip to the Etihad. I don't think that was a co-incidence.

Yes, it suggests that initially they printed what they were told (fine, as long as it's clear that it's briefing).
At some point, presumably they asked the other side, or decided to look into it. SInce then, Ziegler's been solid.

Always difficult to remember how much one journalist is responsible for output, but I do recall his using his own twitter about this.
 
Now might be the time to revisit the hateful 8 letter , it would be interesting to see the wording in the light of yesterday's verdict.
Anyone got it ?
 
G Nev out here talking absolute sense, fair play to the twat:

'I said a few months ago, FFP would have prevented Jack Walker doing what he did 30 years ago at Blackburn,' he added.



'It's fundamentally wrong that there are restrictions placed on owners to put money into football clubs. Whether it's Chelsea, Man City or Blackburn, all those stories we've had in the Premier League over the last 20 years or so, the addition to challenging Manchester United, Arsenal and other clubs wouldn't have happened if FFP had been implemented in its truest form"

'I don't believe it's right. There has always been rich owners investing into football clubs and that won't change today. FFP needs changing to a different model.'

Restricting people in this way feels to me as the Americans would say “unconstitutional” there’s just something at its very essence that sounds wrong. That’s before you take into consideration that established clubs looking out for their own interests Find it financially unbearable . It’s just wrong at it’s very core imo
 
Unfortunately Henry Winter's article is yet another example of clicks being more valuable than reporting facts. None of these hacks seem to have the sense to wait until the full reasons are published before rushing to judgement.

I suspect that the strength of our case against the time-barred allegations was just as strong as for those that weren't but because they were time-barred CAS did not need to waste its time considering them.
 
There certainly seems to be an urge to recast "some charges excluded due to being timebarred" into "technical get-out so not innocent".

Also the weaselly "in breach of FFP regs" which is technically true, even though it's not a financial breach.

Yes, the statement said the breaches were "either not established or time barred" with no reference to the balance. It could be 90% not established, 10% time barred.

But it's being reported as 100% time barred with the implication it was established. "The breaches were time barred so they got off on a technicality".
 
City as a general rule don't lie. If they knew on Friday, then that would've been via an official communication from CAS, and they'd have no reason to deny it today or to 'leave this version out there'. It's a COMPLETE non issue which is only really relevant in places where people made bold predictions on Friday.
I am sure City didn't lie but there is a difference between a preliminary briefing to lawyers and the official announcement. I agree it is a complete non issue.
 
The PL can't and won't do anything to City. That story will quietly disappear into the ether over the coming weeks.

Look at it like this - City's intransigence to the charges brought by UEFA made them go to war rather than seek ANY kind of settlement. The PL will absolutely NOT want to have one of it's top stakeholders going to war with it over historic financial issues when the club is so well run financially and so financially powerful.

Personally I think that every single reference I've seen to PL charges since yesterday's ruling is about appeasing the dumbest rival supporters who will cling to any hope that City are going to be 'stopped' by football's authorities.

Tend to agree on the FFP stuff and god knows why it would take them over 18 months to rule on Academy or third party ownership issues.
 
City as a general rule don't lie. If they knew on Friday, then that would've been via an official communication from CAS, and they'd have no reason to deny it today or to 'leave this version out there'. It's a COMPLETE non issue which is only really relevant in places where people made bold predictions on Friday.

Yes, I don't see a reason to believe they knew before yesterday morning. Given the allegations made against UEFA leaking, leaking themselves would have been stupid - as such, I bet this was locked down as tightly as possible.

I'm quite surprised the fuller judgement will apparently be out this week.
 
The very first thing that CAS said was that City did not disguise equity funding as sponsorship income. That was the entire reason we were there, the main charge against us. Yet you are hard pressed to find any mention of it in reports. It’s all about “technicality” and “time-barred“ and “not enough conclusive evidence, not ‘no evidence’”. The narrative is still one of guilt despite an unequivocal statement of innocence from CAS in regards to financial irregularity.
 

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