Another new Brexit thread

[kevin horlocks wand]

Well it looks like WTO afterall.

 

[Ban-jani]

Answer the questions on his behalf then.

Or do you think someone who can inject his own choice of adviser into every department of state has no power?

Of course he has power, anyone in any job has power.

I’m a manager in a fecking recruitment company and I’ve got some power.

You’ll have power in your job.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Why haven’t you mentioned Obama and Soros before?

If you mention it a few more times you might convince people that it’s a valid comparison.

Whenever I see Soros being used in arguments by the alt right I just think its derived from anti Jewish conspiracy theory. What is it that separates him from any other political donor other than the fact he is a billionaire and unlike most billionaires he supports progressive politics instead of conservative politics.

In the US his money goes to those who are fighting the NRA and pro life types. That is the kind of progressive stuff that we take for granted.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Whenever I see Soros being used in arguments by the alt right I just think its derived from anti Jewish conspiracy theory. What is it that separates him from any other political donor other than the fact he is a billionaire and unlike most billionaires he supports progressive politics instead of conservative politics.

In the US his money goes to those who are fighting the NRA and pro life types. That is the kind of progressive stuff that we take for granted.

hey @blueinsa welcome to the alt right.

 

[BobKowalski]

From the FT

 

[mcfc1632]

At what point do you say there is no evidence because there is no evidence? This just smacks of people being sore because the long awaited report didn't contain anything of note. Russian interference is of course there - as it has been since the late 1940's. The agenda is clear - just spend a day watching RT. The same people who claim the Russians influenced brexit are with a straight face claiming they influenced the GE in 2019. I don't claim to be a great strategist, but it seems clear that the Russians would much rather face the mighty EU army than NATO, have Corbyn in No.10, and fragmentation of the UK rather than the rejection of Scottish independence. By that measure, their influence on these events (if it exists) was not a success.

I find this topic quite helpful and informative - it provides a good case study of the sleight of hand (aka disingenuous manner) Remainers have displayed since 2016.

Just look at the evolution of the facts.....

1/ Since 2016 - up until July 2020 we have had Remainers banging on about how Russian interference was 'certainly' a factor in the referendum outcome - some were stating clearly that because it was 52-48% then it was clearly a crucial factor - that is a fact

2/ These statements that it 'certainly' happened carried on - I have quoted a typical one from @Ifwecouldjust....... in which he states clearly that it must have happened - that is a fact

3/ The report is published and it does not provide evidence that supports the level of certainty expressed in the claims of Remainers - that is a fact

4/ Do Remainers show any sense of abashment and admit that they were over-stating the certainty that evidence would be found of Russian interference? - Absolutely not a jot of the required character has been shown

5/ Instead they turn it around 180 and make it all about Leavers are wrong because the report does not 100% state that there was not such interference - that is simply disingenuous.

Remainers have been making the claims for 4 years that there has been interference - it has not been Leavers making claims

As I say - the topic holds a useful mirror up to Remainers of how they have acted for 4 years - I wonder if any will have the character to look at the reflection?

 

[dave_blue12]

From the FT

But, but we're at the front of the queue!

So no FTA with either the US or EU.

Nothing to see here, carry on.

 

[mcfc1632]

Sorry, that's just tin-foil hat stuff. Everything in our democracy is targeted by the Russians and has been since the end of WW2 - we also seek to destabilise their regime. To tie this into every election result you are unhappy with is just silly. If you want to go down that path then we can throw similar doubt upon the results of x-factor, strictly, and big brother. What this seems to boil down to is people not getting their way refusing to believe it is because their ideas and argument failed, and having had a go at blaming the electorate are now seeking to create an external bogey man. I'm sure there were reasons of political convenience for the delay/suppression of the report, but to have a tantrum because there is no evidence and say it's there , we just didn't look is just childish.

Childish indeed - there must be an appropriate GIF of some kid caught red-handed but trying to deny they were wrong

 

[Ban-jani]

Whenever I see Soros being used in arguments by the alt right I just think its derived from anti Jewish conspiracy theory. What is it that separates him from any other political donor other than the fact he is a billionaire and unlike most billionaires he supports progressive politics instead of conservative politics.

In the US his money goes to those who are fighting the NRA and pro life types. That is the kind of progressive stuff that we take for granted.

And you had the fucking cheek to like a post that said my posts are shit haha - https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....drastic-action-needed-for-eurozone-to-survive

Do you not find it disturbing an American billionaire is pouring money into projects designed to change UK politics?

Where’s your outrage here?

Oh yeah it’s the side you and I vote for so it’s all good isn’t it.

 

[mcfc1632]

hey @blueinsa welcome to the alt right.

Beat me to it......

FFS - at least it is a change of label - the old ones are so 2017

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

But, but we're at the front of the queue!

So no FTA with either the US or EU.

Nothing to see here, carry on.

to be fair the eu, the us and the uk have have slightly been distracted in their focus, you know by that pandemic?

 

[meltonblue]

I find this topic quite helpful and informative - it provides a good case study of the sleight of hand (aka disingenuous manner) Remainers have displayed since 2016.

Just look at the evolution of the facts.....

1/ Since 2016 - up until July 2020 we have had Remainers banging on about how Russian interference was 'certainly' a factor in the referendum outcome - some were stating clearly that because it was 52-48% then it was clearly a crucial factor - that is a fact

2/ These statements that it 'certainly' happened carried on - I have quoted a typical one from @Ifwecouldjust....... in which he states clearly that it must have happened - that is a fact

3/ The report is published and it does not provide evidence that supports the claims of Remainers - that is a fact

4/ Do Remainers show any sense of character and admit that they were over-stating the certainty that evidence would be found of Russian interference? - Absolutely not a jot of the required character has been shown

5/ Instead they turn it around 180 and make it all about Leavers are wrong because the report does not 100% state that there was not such interference - that is simply disingenuous.

Remainers have been making the claims for 4 years that there has been interference - it has not been Leavers making claims

As I say - the topic holds a useful mirror up to Remainers of how they have acted for 4 years - I wonder if any will have the character to look at the reflection?

You’re conflating two points still there though. Whether there was interference isn’t (well, shouldn’t) be up for debate, that was published two years ago in the first report.

The report yesterday was focussed on the government not following any of that up. It’s not a question for this thread, but the question that needs to be answered is why not (which there may be valid reasons for).

 

[Blue Hefner]

 

[west didsblue]

From the FT

Oh well.
There’s always Kenya.

 

[west didsblue]

I wish I’d put money on no deal last summer. Boris was offering a million to one.

 

[west didsblue]

to be fair the eu, the us and the uk have have slightly been distracted in their focus, you know by that pandemic?

Luckily we’ve got a sensible government that recognises this and will be prepared to extend transition to give us more time to get a deal over the line.
Erm.....

 

[Saddleworth2]

Of course they did in the exact same way the USA led by Obama did and the EU did and the whole political world did.

russia don’t do things in exactly the same way as Obama or the EU though do they.

 

[BobKowalski]

Accelerating trends. Following the Russian report and the revelation that the British Govt and Security Services refused to investigate covert Russian interference, will the view take hold in European capitals that the UK is now hostile to European interests? Refusal to countenance an extension to transition when everyone has been hit by the pandemic, a lack of good faith in refusing to respond to the EU’s compromise signalling? Putin is hostile to the EU so disruption is good from their perspective so are we now in the Russian camp despite the murder of a UK national on UK soil by Russian agents in Salisbury?

Should true English patriots now resist our subjugation to Russian interests and Russian money that has compromised our ruling elite?

Pass the popcorn, Alice.

 

[mexico1970]

Mabel from Scunthorpe was convinced that she should vote remain until whilst browsing for funny Cat videos on facebook she was glimmered by Ivan who posted that British funny Cats are funnier than European funny Cats.

Mabel then told Betty and the die was cast.

 

[BobKowalski]

russia don’t do things in exactly the same way as Obama or the EU though do they.

Come on, Obama is an absolute fiend with the Novichuk nerve agent...oh, wait, no, Obama said we would be at the back of the queue and didn’t murder UK nationals. My bad.