CAS judgement: UEFA ban overturned, City exonerated (report out p603)

[LongsightM13]

Henry Winter has never been a friend to our club.

He was the prick who brought down Mancini's unveiling just because his mate Hughes got the sack.

I don't know where people think there was a golden age of sports writers, it has always been a cliquey drinking men's club, populated by sexist, racist, ego-driven ****s.

I've worked amongst them for over thirty years, a more false brigade you would not come across.

Most of them actually don't know much about the game. It's all opinion stated as fact, having to push the envelope even further now social media can make them accountable.

I don't have a single 'friend' in the business.

That's a damming endictment of the industry, not me, I promise you!!

Groupthink incarnate. As soon as any press conference is over, their main topic of conversation is “So what’s the line, then?”
That and, as Tolmie points out, where they’re going boozing afterwards

 

[nmc]

Groupthink incarnate. As soon as any press conference is over, their main topic of conversation is “So what’s the line, then?”
That and, as Tolmie points out, where they’re going boozing afterwards

I've attended a few press conferences at City and I’m always struck by how utterly childish the press pack are - they are like kids on a school trip. No respect, no decorum and utterly unprofessional pretty much all of them.

 

[Nails]

Henry Winter has never been a friend to our club.

He was the prick who brought down Mancini's unveiling just because his mate Hughes got the sack.

I don't know where people think there was a golden age of sports writers, it has always been a cliquey drinking men's club, populated by sexist, racist, ego-driven ****s.

I've worked amongst them for over thirty years, a more false brigade you would not come across.

Most of them actually don't know much about the game. It's all opinion stated as fact, having to push the envelope even further now social media can make them accountable.

I don't have a single 'friend' in the business.

That's a damming endictment of the industry, not me, I promise you!!

Haha, me neither. Although I always liked Brian Glanville - he may have smelled and dressed like a tramp but I never had the feeling he could be bought.

 

[StockportJB76]

I can see the logic of the desire for digital traffic, however for me, the media campaign against City, appears to have more sinister roots.

Ironically there was a series aired earlier this week on bbc radio 4 titled "How they made us Doubt Everything". On it they interviewed a research scientist who was employed by Exxon, I think in the 1970's. The department he worked in started finding evidence that climate change was being caused by the burning of fossil fuels and this information was distributed internally to senior management within the company. Soon afterwards however the company started issuing press releases doubting the validity of these climate change theories, which was the opposite of what it's own research department was finding. Putting aside whatever people's opinions are on climate change, the point is that large and powerful organisations want to manipulate the truth, create doubts in people's minds and influence public opinion.

This is a battle over future fans, money, power and influence. The cartel need the public to doubt the validity of City's case and subsequent escape from a Champions. League ban.

Yes there will be partizan journalists, media interests, etc at play, but wherever big money is at stake, there will be individuals hired or influenced to support those powerful groups. The lack of balance and the selective nature of the attacks on City by some journalists, appears to me to be primarily aimed at influencing public opinion and creating an environment whereby City can be punished again.

 

[LongsightM13]

Haha, me neither. Although I always liked Brian Glanville - he may have smelled and dressed like a tramp but I never had the feeling he could be bought.

Always first there, always sat on the front row and always shoehorning his ability to speak several foreign languages into any news conference

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I can see the logic of the desire for digital traffic, however for me, the media campaign against City, appears to have more sinister roots.

Ironically there was a series aired earlier this week on bbc radio 4 titled "How they made us Doubt Everything". On it they interviewed a research scientist who was employed by Exxon, I think in the 1970's. The department he worked in started finding evidence that climate change was being caused by the burning of fossil fuels and this information was distributed internally to senior management within the company. Soon afterwards however the company started issuing press releases doubting the validity of these climate change theories, which was the opposite of what it's own research department was finding. Putting aside whatever people's opinions are on climate change, the point is that large and powerful organisations want to manipulate the truth, create doubts in people's minds and influence public opinion.

This is a battle over future fans, money, power and influence. The cartel need the public to doubt the validity of City's case and subsequent escape from a Champions. League ban.

Yes there will be partizan journalists, media interests, etc at play, but wherever big money is at stake, there will be individuals hired or influenced to support those powerful groups. The lack of balance and the selective nature of the attacks on City by some journalists, appears to me to be primarily aimed at influencing public opinion and creating an environment whereby City can be punished again.

Pretty much how I see it.

 

[LongsightM13]

I can see the logic of the desire for digital traffic, however for me, the media campaign against City, appears to have more sinister roots.

Ironically there was a series aired earlier this week on bbc radio 4 titled "How they made us Doubt Everything". On it they interviewed a research scientist who was employed by Exxon, I think in the 1970's. The department he worked in started finding evidence that climate change was being caused by the burning of fossil fuels and this information was distributed internally to senior management within the company. Soon afterwards however the company started issuing press releases doubting the validity of these climate change theories, which was the opposite of what it's own research department was finding. Putting aside whatever people's opinions are on climate change, the point is that large and powerful organisations want to manipulate the truth, create doubts in people's minds and influence public opinion.

This is a battle over future fans, money, power and influence. The cartel need the public to doubt the validity of City's case and subsequent escape from a Champions. League ban.

Yes there will be partizan journalists, media interests, etc at play, but wherever big money is at stake, there will be individuals hired or influenced to support those powerful groups. The lack of balance and the selective nature of the attacks on City by some journalists, appears to me to be primarily aimed at influencing public opinion and creating an environment whereby City can be punished again.

If you haven’t already, I’d highly recommend the novel/film “Thank You for smoking” which satirises the PR shills for the tobacco, alcohol and firearms industry in the US

 

[Nails]

Always first there, always sat on the front row and always shoehorning his ability to speak several foreign languages into any news conference

Yes! And he became very reactionary in his latter years. But a great writer. There is nobody at all like him now. They're all so fucking bland.

 

[LongsightM13]

I've attended a few press conferences at City and I’m always struck by how utterly childish the press pack are - they are like kids on a school trip. No respect, no decorum and utterly unprofessional pretty much all of them.

Nailed it.
I’ve attended and in more recent years organised more news conferences than I can count and the football ones were always the very worst in terms of conduct and professionalism.
They were always by some margin the scruffiest bunch as well

 

[LongsightM13]

Yes! And he became very reactionary in his latter years. But a great writer. There is nobody at all like him now. They're all so fucking bland.

I absolutely loved his football novels as a kid. Goalkeepers are Different was a classic

 

[MillionMilesAway]

City claimed they were unrelated, which was challenged by UEFA but never resolved.

One of City's complaints to CAS was that UEFA completed its investigation before determining that. I can only assume that had the CFCB concluded that they were a related party (which City have always denied) the charges would have been baseless and therefore presumably not brought. But it seems they were judged at CAS as unrelated parties.

Could that have been just that there had not been a claim put to CAS from CFCB that they were related? That would then leave it like other stuff with City saying they're not related, and no-one saying they are.

 

[Impeccable One]

Well you know what the Americans mean by a ‘Johnson’!

Same as in UK ? (Boris) Johnson is a Dick

 

[MillionMilesAway]

No the whole panel could concur. Notably the majority also applied to the comments (at least) on the cooperation charge. Strangely, few have mentioned that

I don't think I've seen it mentioned by anyone - I must have overlooked when it was!

I did wonder whether the report said 'unanimous' anywhere in it.

 

[BringBackSwales]

Yes! And he became very reactionary in his latter years. But a great writer. There is nobody at all like him now. They're all so fucking bland.

Martin Samuel says hi

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Groupthink incarnate. As soon as any press conference is over, their main topic of conversation is “So what’s the line, then?”
That and, as Tolmie points out, where they’re going boozing afterwards

Going back so many years, never ceased to amaze how little confidence they had to know what 'the line' was, needing to go cover all their own arses.

As a cub reporter, you soon find out that they only want to work with you when they have fuck all of their own.

 

[Nails]

Martin Samuel says hi

Yeah, he's great, but he's happy as a columnist. I mean a sportswriter who does it all - op-ed, reporting, etc.

 

[Nails]

I absolutely loved his football novels as a kid. Goalkeepers are Different was a classic

Mine too. It's why I became a goalie.

 

[BringBackSwales]

Nailed it.
I’ve attended and in more recent years organised more news conferences than I can count and the football ones were always the very worst in terms of conduct and professionalism.
They were always by some margin the scruffiest bunch as well

Fucking hell, if a bloke from Longsight is calling them scruffy! No offence

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Could that have been just that there had not been a claim put to CAS from CFCB that they were related? That would then leave it like other stuff with City saying they're not related, and no-one saying they are.

I doubt CFCB would claim that, although it seems that UEFA were trying to do so in 2014. If CFCB were to claim that Etihad, Etisalat and City were related parties then their whole argument about disguised owner investment falls flat on its face. CFCB's interest would be in showing they weren't. But it's irrelevant as there was no owner funding of these sponsorships.

They paid a load of money for lawyers, who lost the case, when they could have come to me and I'd have put them right.

 

[slbsn]

I don't think I've seen it mentioned by anyone - I must have overlooked when it was!

I did wonder whether the report said 'unanimous' anywhere in it.