COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Healdplace]

The 2 extra Scottish cases in hospital yesterday means we actually did not beat the 1000 barrier in UK hospitals with Covid after all yesterday.

This week I hope we will. Possibly even today.

If we don't then it may be time to start to worry as a consistent risein patient numbers in hospital is not good news. As it may be the prelude to a rise in deaths over coming weeks.

In many ways hospital numbers matter more than daily case numbers - IF we are still shielding the vulnerable or they are wisely still shielding themselves - and the case numbers are kept at the kind of level that can be traced and managed. If they keep on rising that will soon be a different story.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

29 new cases in Scotland. 18 of which are in grampian area.

6 new hospital admissions. ICU and deaths no change.

 

[Healdplace]

Comparison with last Monday on previous page Ayrshire. Signs of optimism perhaps.

 

[Bovril]

I've just been told MRSA has been diagnosed with me but I was in hospital recently and since covid developed I've been kept isolated so how I got this I don't know
It will be fantastic when this is all over with and we go back to football again!!

Stay safe blue.

 

[twosips]

Interesting. Shows that we will eventually, albeit probably painfully, get past this. This guy is a great follow btw. Not overly negative, not overly positive. Just pure factual talk. Extremely intelligent fella.

 

[RayCTID]

I've just been told MRSA has been diagnosed with me but I was in hospital recently and since covid developed I've been kept isolated so how I got this I don't know
It will be fantastic when this is all over with and we go back to football again!!

Speedy recovery Blue

 

[grunge]

they're not going to inject people until its been fully trialed and 1000% safe

normally takes 2-5 years of trials, not 8-12 months. Corners are defiantly being cut a bit.

Russia is already planning mass rollout in Oct.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Comparison with last Monday on previous page Ayrshire. Signs of optimism perhaps.

Perhaps, as you rightly say those hospital figures are very important though and any rise is concerning.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

they're not going to inject people until its been fully trialed and 1000% safe

The vast majority of the vaccines on trial are effectively copying and pasting the mechanics of how they deliver existing vaccines which are proven to be safe, it's just the specific marker of the unique protein spikes they are modifying for cv19 so I don't think safety is the major concern it's just effectiveness which they're more worried about. There are other vaccines being developed which will use different delivery mechanisms and look to interfere with different aspects of the bodys response to a virus - those novel vaccines being trialled will need a lot longer to come through phase 3...

Lots of prominent UK doctors and epidemiologist have already taken their shots some time ago as part of various P3 studies that have already started. Think the Russians will be the first to go in October in terms of mass roll out to the public.

 

[purplenose]

Something we seem not to be hearing much about now is NHS staff getting this and sadly passing away.

Why might this be? Is the virus that they are now treating less lethal?

 

[domalino]

The vast majority of the vaccines on trial are effectively copying and pasting the mechanics of how they deliver existing vaccines which are proven to be safe, it's just the specific marker of the unique protein spikes they are modifying for cv19 so I don't think safety is the major concern it's just effectiveness which they're more worried about. There are other vaccines being developed which will use different delivery mechanisms and look to interfere with different aspects of the bodys response to a virus - those novel vaccines being trialled will need a lot longer to come through phase 3...

Lots of prominent UK doctors and epidemiologist have already taken their shots some time ago as part of various P3 studies that have already started. Think the Russians will be the first to go in October in terms of mass roll out to the public.

There's never been a vaccine rolled out which has actually been damaging or "gone wrong".

They're incredibly safe compared to a lot of pills we give people every single day without any safety concerns.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

they're not going to inject people until its been fully trialed and 1000% safe

I think they’ll make you sign a disclaimer when you get it, in case something happens in 10 years time..

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Something we seem not to be hearing much about now is NHS staff getting this and sadly passing away.

Why might this be? Is the virus that they are now treating less lethal?

There’s about 200 hospitals and about 700 covid patients which, in very simple terms, is about 3 each. At its peak, there were over 15000 patients which, in those simple terms once again, was 75 each.

 

[purplenose]

There’s about 200 hospitals and about 700 covid patients which, in very simple terms, is about 3 each. At its peak, there were over 15000 patients which, in those simple terms once again, was 75 each.

Sure sheer numbers will play a part but You would have thought it would catch the odd one.

I am not for one moment down playing the danger it stll carries but I did read back in June some Italian doctors saying it was a very different virus they were treating then to the one they were treating in March/April.

 

[domalino]

Sure sheer numbers will play a part but You would have thought it would catch the odd one.

I am not for one moment down playing the danger it stll carries but I did read back in June some Italian doctors saying it was a very different virus they were treating then to the one they were treating in March/April.

More PPE available. Testing, so NHS staff aren't infecting each other, more experience dealing with safety precautions, probably fewer "at risk" staff exposed because of the reduced numbers, and don't forget the advances in prognosis in general since March.

 

[Healdplace]

Perhaps, as you rightly say those hospital figures are very important though and any rise is concerning.

It is but 2 over a week is not as yet. Numbers often go down on Friday and up on Monday - as they tend to discharge those they can pre weekend and take in others who turn up at A & E at the end of the weekend.

So its a concern - which is why I post the numbers of patients for the UK and regions daily. But too early to call a clear rise. Though it may turn into one. It is certainly a warning sign.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Sure sheer numbers will play a part but You would have thought it would catch the odd one.

I am not for one moment down playing the danger it stll carries but I did read back in June some Italian doctors saying it was a very different virus they were treating then to the one they were treating in March/April.

People were coming in, in March and nobody knew if they had it or not. Staff were being exposed to huge amounts of viral load from patients, other members of staff and visitors. All that has now changed and, currently at least, most of the people who have it won’t need to be going anywhere near a hospital, which is all good.
Thats not to say the virus hasn’t changed and become even milder for most, but don’t underestimate how not unknowingly coming into contact with it helps NHS staff as well.

 

[Healdplace]

England hospital deaths just 6. But this is Sunday data and it was actually just 5 last Monday.

 

[Healdplace]

Wales good news (though Sunday too recall)

0 deaths (last Monday was 0)

Just 12 new cases (last Monday was 24)

6809 tests - so under 0.2%. (last Monday was 0.33%)

 

[cleavers]

More PPE available. Testing, so NHS staff aren't infecting each other, more experience dealing with safety precautions, probably fewer "at risk" staff exposed because of the reduced numbers, and don't forget the advances in prognosis in general since March.

And improved knowledge and treatments.