Lyon CL QF Post-Match Thread

Why do we play such a high defensive line when we have zero pace at CB or DM, the ball over the top or in between the FB and CB kills us every time against quick forwards, just can't understand why we play this way with the players we currently have. I know Pep likes to pen teams in but shouldn't we be dropping off and holding a deeper back line out of possession?
It was
Pep tried to cover for those weaknesses last night but it still didn't work.

Some tactical tweaks and some new personnel are required but the high line is unlikely to go so we have to have more pace in the centre.
He cover mistakes like city is a bottom club, he bought almost all those players

You play againt Lyon not prime barca or Milan. We end up conceding shit goals, put at the least an attacking team who can scare Lyon. Confidence play a big role in modern game, Lyon whould have stayed in their area and played cautiously

Even when we trash teams i have always a feeling, a mistake is coming during the game
 
The elephant as you say is Pep.

We should be as a club ruthless, get rid now

He is using us as an experiment for his own views on football, fucking around with tactics, formations, players etc.

I see him as a danger to us as a club progressing further. I believe he has cost us Sane as a player and could do so with the likes of Bernardo and possibly Foden

Does anyone imagine if Kompany was around in his prime he would have stood for this. Not a chance.

11 games we have lost this season due in the main to pissing around.

I am angry and perhaps will calm down but he has cost us once again
You allowed to be angry, I’m fucking livid.
 
It was

He cover mistakes like city is a bottom club, he bought almost all those players

You play againt Lyon not prime barca or Milan. We end up conceding shit goals, put at the least an attacking team who can scare Lyon. Confidence play a big role in modern game, Lyon whould have stayed in their area and played cautiously

Even when we trash teams i have always a feeling, a mistake is coming during the game
Bang on the money.
 
Well said. As I said on another thread, many supporters always want someone to blame and far too many think that sacking a manager or selling a player is the right response to a bad defeat.

That's not to say changes in playing personnel are not required: they are. This is a team in transition for one thing and also you should always be looking to replace your weakest links with stronger ones every summer.

Changing the manager is not the right choice at this point, backing him big time in the transfer market is the right move. You sign Pep as manager, you need to give him top quality players because that's what his system demands. He needs to stay and "rebuild" the team.
But he's entering the final year of his contract so how does he rebuild the side when he might well be on the way out?

You are also ignoring the ongoing issue of playing pedestrian midfielders at key moments in the season. We could repeat this season next, and Pep could repeat this type of team selection again.
 
Whatever we think about team selection, at 1-1 VAR had a major impact on the game. How an "offside" player allowing the ball to go through his legs and then subsequently score is totally beyond me. UEFA only needed one opportunity to make sure we didn't progress and they got it. I'm not denying we weren't good but there's plenty on here who should look at themselves and their comments.
Where does this bollocks come from?

Did you not see the Arsenal game where we got done by a team using exactly Lyons tactics and formation? Did you not see the Norwich game, Wolves, Spurs, United, Southampton?

Lyon are better than all of them. There's every chance we lost just as easily in a 433.

Pep doesn't make these changes for a laugh, he does it because we've got massive weaknesses that good teams have exploited all season.

I cannot understand the deluded arrogance to think we would have been untouchable in a 433 when we have seen its not true all season long.

So, you were impressed with pep’s team formation and player selection then?
Were you happy watching some of our players wandering around like headless chickens at times, a midfield 2 that were clueless and a defensive formation that did no better than in our standard 433 formation?
We have fabulous players who are used to playing in an expansive, attacking set up... they were asked to ignore everything they’ve been told/taught over the last 4 years... no wonder we lost the plot!
You are the one that’s deluded pal
 
The elephant as you say is Pep.

We should be as a club ruthless, get rid now

He is using us as an experiment for his own views on football, fucking around with tactics, formations, players etc.

I see him as a danger to us as a club progressing further. I believe he has cost us Sane as a player and could do so with the likes of Bernardo and possibly Foden

Does anyone imagine if Kompany was around in his prime he would have stood for this. Not a chance.

11 games we have lost this season due in the main to pissing around.

I am angry and perhaps will calm down but he has cost us once again

I hope people like you have the bollocks to stick to your opinion that Pep is a danger the club and root of all failure when we are successful again next season and don't just try an melt into the background.
 
The elephant as you say is Pep.

We should be as a club ruthless, get rid now

He is using us as an experiment for his own views on football, fucking around with tactics, formations, players etc.

I see him as a danger to us as a club progressing further. I believe he has cost us Sane as a player and could do so with the likes of Bernardo and possibly Foden

Does anyone imagine if Kompany was around in his prime he would have stood for this. Not a chance.

11 games we have lost this season due in the main to pissing around.

I am angry and perhaps will calm down but he has cost us once again
You're right. Kompany would not have accepted his team not going all out for the win in a game like this. Pep would not have dared pulling a stunt like that
 
Well said. As I said on another thread, many supporters always want someone to blame and far too many think that sacking a manager or selling a player is the right response to a bad defeat.

That's not to say changes in playing personnel are not required: they are. This is a team in transition for one thing and also you should always be looking to replace your weakest links with stronger ones every summer.

Changing the manager is not the right choice at this point, backing him big time in the transfer market is the right move. You sign Pep as manager, you need to give him top quality players because that's what his system demands. He needs to stay and "rebuild" the team.

For sure,

Bit is not like city didn't spend money on players he wanted.

There should accountability. We are not going to keep hearing from him " City don't have yet the experience of big clubs in Europe" it worked in his first 2 years but not now.

City spent heavily and now i have a bzd feeling hope i am wrong what would take to go further? Buy 1billion worth of players? The feeling that a 15 20 or 30million player is not enough anymore to make the team better

Hope i am wrong and next season in few days will be better
 
Historically OL have produced some great footballers, now even after losing stars in the last few years (Lacazette, Umtiti, Fekir, Mendy etc) they continue to produce talents. To think Caqueret, Guimarães, Reine-Adélaïde, and Cherki have yet to really announce themselves to the world - stay tuned
I am aware of that but that side was limited. We should have thrashed them.
 
UEFA taking revenge then

Most definitely

Was always gonna happen at some point

It was up to us to not gift them the opportunity to screw us over.. or at least if we did gift them that opportunity make sure it was not going to be so crucial

We played right into their hands last night. Can just imagine the eyes of the cunts at UEFA lighting up when it happened then pinging off a quick text to the puppet doing VAR saying ‘you know what to do’
 
I read a stat somewhere yesterday that 90 per cent of games we have lost this season was facing a three or a five-man defence?

Everyone keeps saying we showed Lyon too much respect, maybe Pep has realised this and just tried to combat it. The bigger issue for me was when he saw it wasn't working he didn't then change it.

That's 1 big positive I have seen from Arteta at Arsenal he plays like pep but is more tactically flexible and is willing to adapt.
 
Tell you what, for a fanbase who alledgedly hate UEFA and all it stands for, regularly state we're not arsed about the CL, we've turned into a right bunch of mard-arsed self-entitled tosspots tonight.

Who actually gives a fuck?

PL or CL? PL all day fucking long.

We can't have it both ways.
Sorry to break this to you but we were out of PL contention by Xmas So how’s that having it both ways?

If you bought a Ferrari that kept breaking down, would you simply be saying “what a lucky twat I am”?

Enjoy your Austin Allegro and Micky Mouse Cup.

P.S. Those who don‘t give a toss about the CL are just a noisy minority. You don‘t spend gazillions just to have bragging right over Spurs and fcukin Burnley.
 
Very sorry but any team with Fernandinio, Rodri & Garcia as our back middle 3 is asking for punishment, even an average team in France took the piss with 3 easy goals, more pace in my grandparents than those 3

We have conceded those all fucking season, Ederson just doesnt look like saving anything in those situations either its all amateur stuff

Why oh why was Garcia anywhere near that squad? Why the fuck did we even try playing like that just to trial it for the Bayern game???

Its a big let down & Pep & the team deserve all the shit thrown at them & us fans

Very sorry but I still don't feel confident with Rodri as HM

Unless Laporte & Koulabily link up & we sign an out & out LB who can defend better than the tripe we currently have then forget about winning the League back its not going to happen

We now have players like Bernardo, Stones who imo would have been a better choice last night wanting out.

Bernardo must be gutted

Another noticeable problem last night out & out striker where do we go with this, im sick of hearing Jesus put the hard yards in & defends well when he's paid to fucking score goals on a regular basis nothing more sure we need to sort it out

Aguero won't be back firing till October time at least, it takes him all pre season & a few Prem games to get going so where do we go??

We are fucked till CB, LB, CF are bought imo

I felt gutted for Bernardo Silva last night, in his home country where he was born less than 3 miles from the stadium and Pep didn't even give him an opportunity.
 
You can keep saying the same wrong thing over and over again, it doesn't make it true.
We'll have to agree to disagree. In your opinion, the place a team finishes, in this case Lyon finished 7th, does not necessarily reflect how good they are. They are 7th best over the curtailed season. Teams finish exactly where they deserve to.
 
I hope people like you have the bollocks to stick to your opinion that Pep is a danger the club and root of all failure when we are successful again next season and don't just try an melt into the background.
Fans can only react to what happens and Pep has this trait of over-thinking perceived problems. We have no way of knowing how his final season is going to develop. For me Pep cost us in both the FA Cup semi-final and the CL QF.
 
I agree. Had we played to oue strengths we may still have made mistakes but won the game 3- 2.
This team are not world


The guy who let the ball go through his legs did not score. The guy who fouled Laporte did.
My bad I'm afraid. it was meant to say and they subsequently score
 
As it happens, I knew we'd struggle as soon as I saw the team selection. Mainly because we haven't won a game since the restart when Foden didn't start.
Just one last point Pep, if your going to play a more defensive formation then fucking practice it more frequently so it cones naturally to the players without thinking.
That's it I'm done.
Roll on next season.
 

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