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Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Well done, you've found a twat. Non EU immigration by definition has nothing to do with brexit or the EU.
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Whilst you are correct, the point is that non-EU immigration was a factor for many Brexit voters. The fact that that their expectation that Brexit would help slow non-EU immigration was a fallacy doesn’t mean it wasn’t a factor in their decision making at the time, and it doesn’t change the fact that this view was reinforced by many Brexit supporting politicians.
 
BobKowalski said:
To quote from the source you referenced:

‘As a newly independent trading nation, we will strike new trade deals with key partners across the world, open up new markets and make it even easier for our businesses to meet global demand.‘

How do we achieve this be putting up trade barriers with our largest export market and increasing red tape and administrative burden on our businesses?
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"across the world"

That will also include Europe and the EU.
 
west didsblue said:
Course it wasn’t. Listen to the UKIP councillor in the middle of this (5:20).
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An inconvenient truth for the Ultra's that always deny any of that ever took place. Watching that all the way through all I see is a lot of people who were manipulated and who are about to be massively let down.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Well done, you've found a twat. Non EU immigration by definition has nothing to do with brexit or the EU.
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One idiot says an idiotic thing, but happens to have voted to leave and it's "OMG, brexit, amirite!?"

It would be interesting to start having conversations on this subject again but it's clear some simply haven't moved on.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Well done, you've found a twat. Non EU immigration by definition has nothing to do with brexit or the EU.
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Just look at the video recently put up - legions of people complaining about immigration. They weren't defining any difference between EU and non EU immigration - they, like the likes of UKIP, were just lumping all immigration together and wanting - nay expecting - it all to be stopped completely simply by dint of putting an X in a box. Dancing on the head of a pin dividing where immigrants come from to justify your point is ineffective in the face of the truth.
 
west didsblue said:
Whilst you are correct, the point is that non-EU immigration was a factor for many Brexit voters. The fact that that their expectation that Brexit would help slow non-EU immigration was a fallacy doesn’t mean it wasn’t a factor in their decision making at the time, and it doesn’t change the fact that this view was reinforced by many Brexit supporting politicians.
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And for many others, especially on this thread, it wasn't, but you only seem to want to focus and discuss those that did for some reason.

Stuck in this merry-go-round of "No, not everyone who voted leave voted on immigration... but some did... and those that did were lied to, and they helped leave win, so those votes shouldn't be counted, and we should stop brexit, and have another vote because without those votes leave wouldn't have won, and we wouldn't have left, and..."

It's. Tiresome.
 
One video......legions..... UKIP...fascists.....Nigel......Tommy........racists.......Adolf

Sigh.

Its going to be one of those days i can feel it already.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
One idiot says an idiotic thing, but happens to have voted to leave and it's "OMG, brexit, amirite!?"

It would be interesting to start having conversations on this subject again but it's clear some simply haven't moved on.
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That’s correct.
Maybe when you and your mates have something more interesting to say than we won you lost, it might be worth you joining in some of the discussions about what happens next. Until then I wouldn’t bother because perpetual gloating is boring and a bit sad.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
And for many others, especially on this thread, it wasn't, but you only seem to want to focus and discuss those that did for some reason.

Stuck in this merry-go-round of "No, not everyone who voted leave voted on immigration... but some did... and those that did were lied to, and they helped leave win, so those votes shouldn't be counted, and we should stop brexit, and have another vote because without those votes leave wouldn't have won, and we wouldn't have left, and..."

It's. Tiresome.
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Stop making up fallacious arguments.
It’s tiresome.
 
So, leavers post videos which influenced us four years ago but we are seeing for the first time today? This is beyond mental illness.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
So, leavers post videos which influenced us four years ago but we are seeing for the first time today? This is beyond mental illness.
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the specific Guardian video has been seen over 81k times, the anti Islamist rant 36k times - its your own fault if you choose not to research anything that continue to offer your flawed opinion on.
 
How ‘Freedom of Movement’ protects people from the actions of the State.

‘For those not in the know, Zambrano applications are usually made by some of the most vulnerable who have little else to fall back on. IMO usually single mothers with small British children fleeing domestic violence.’ @Pipermigration

 
BobKowalski said:
My question was prompted by reading the link you provided and pointing out the gaping fallacy in the conclusion.

Currency fluctuations can help by making exports cheaper and hinder by making imports more expensive, although some exports will require imported materials so, personal opinion, currency fluctuations are a minor factor in the overall scheme of things.

Given you provided the link I assumed you would be interested in discussing some of its contents.
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Professor David Blake disagrees with you

briefingsforbritain.co.uk

The UK is the Eurozone’s dumping ground - Briefings For Britain

The EU is following a classic 'beggar thy neighbour' strategy with its trading partners, in particular the UK, by exploiting the euro’s structural undervaluation
briefingsforbritain.co.uk briefingsforbritain.co.uk
 
bluethrunthru said:
the specific Guardian video has been seen over 81k times, the anti Islamist rant 36k times - its your own fault if you choose not to research anything that continue to offer your flawed opinion on.
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My point is that this sort of 'research' of extreme views is generally undertaken by extremists. My own 'flawed opinion' on the EU and brexit are informed my the mad extremist rants of the late Tony Benn and Michael Foot - I can post youtube links if you like?
 
west didsblue said:
That’s correct.
Maybe when you and your mates have something more interesting to say than we won you lost, it might be worth you joining in some of the discussions about what happens next. Until then I wouldn’t bother because perpetual gloating is boring and a bit sad.
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So is perpetual goading.

You seem to think that the people in these shared twitter videos have some connection to the people posting on this thread. They don't, yet it's the argument you seemingly want to have. Some sort of pent up frustration that the ones you intend to vent your rage against, aren't actually present, so you take it out on anyone on here who happened to vote to leave?
 
bluethrunthru said:
the specific Guardian video has been seen over 81k times, the anti Islamist rant 36k times - its your own fault if you choose not to research anything that continue to offer your flawed opinion on.
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In a country of nearly 70 Million i can definitely see the influence they are having on us all.
 
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