Then their so called rebuild will never happen if they think they can pay Messi even more money than they already are. No loss situation for us, I wouldn't take this negatively.
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Puma is not a sponsor its a kit deal.
The rest of the partners are all here https://www.mancity.com/club/partners. If you exclude the kit deal (you can only have one and we only just entered into the agreement), the vast majority obviously comes from the first 5 named. And Nexen tyres is also a Mubadala investment. So it is not materially less than 80%
When you're feeling the need to distinguish between a partner and a kit manufacturer, things are getting a bit stupid.
The £65m per year Puma pay us goes into the commercial revenue pot. They are one of the people who will be paying extra per year to use Messi's image in their marketing.
There's posters who've been here years saying the same thing tbf. Not saying why he won't come of course, just ignoring all the evidence that says why he wants to leave, how all our clubs top brass are in Barcelona and how clubmates and friends have said their farewells.We have a live one, just what is the point
Nope. Just, he isn't coming and that's that.
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Puma is booked as commercial revenue, as you know and of course it can be re-negotiated and 100% will if Messi signs.Puma is not a sponsor its a kit deal.
The rest of the partners are all here https://www.mancity.com/club/partners. If you exclude the kit deal (you can only have one and we only just entered into the agreement), the vast majority obviously comes from the first 5 named. And Nexen tyres is also a Mubadala investment. So it is not materially less than 80%
You have no idea how much of our commercial income comes from AD owned companies, that’s fine, none of us have the individual deals and figures in front of us. But there’s zero way you can prove or even argue with some validity that 80% of our commercial income comes from AD. It’s fine to admit when you’re wrong.
Our netspend right now sits at around -30m
We are losing some big wages in David Silva and bravo and Sane too
All incoming players will be amortised so their cost will spread over the years. While our selling adds directly to this year's "income". So the 50m sell from sane is direct on the bottom line. While someone like Koulibaly will only be 10-15m on the bottom line this year. So our netspend ends up positive almost every year. Got to love creative accounting.
We are losing some big wages in David Silva and bravo and Sane too
All incoming players will be amortised so their cost will spread over the years. While our selling adds directly to this year's "income". So the 50m sell from sane is direct on the bottom line. While someone like Koulibaly will only be 10-15m on the bottom line this year. So our netspend ends up positive almost every year. Got to love creative accounting.
Would not call Xavi, Iniesta or Busquets plodders but I get your drift!Some of us, are desperate for a top class cb & legs in midfield, not convinced Pep is.
His past track record is for a plodder in midfield & any **** who can pass a ball & stick a leg out, at cb.
ADegenerate
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Literally happening as we speak!
Why is comparing Barca's commercial revenue to Real or Bayern or United or City not relevant. If Messi is another league you would see Barca's commercial revenue significantly higher. It is not. These are important data points.
As for our reliance on Abu Dhabi partners, it is something like 80% from memory - the vast majority. There is no evidence that we have a queue of potential sponsors "lurking" just waiting for us to sign Messi. Anyway lets leave it there.
That much thought? Thought it only brought in around 15% of our income.
oakiecokie
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You know what Marvin that is one of the best posts you have done ... seriously.So much positivity .. for once.Well done mate and one that I fully endorse.You should try it a bit more often mate.You can see now where Manchester City were going with the City Football Group and why Silverlake Investments got onboard. Barcelona are global but not in quite the same way as City football group with a football club in most continents including the MSL. Messi and a global football group would be an ideal fit.
There are 1.4 billion people in China. They love Messi. And City have a Chinese equity partner. We don't know what exactly is coming should City sign Messi, but expect massive investment and sponsorship from China and Japan incidentally where City have football clubs.
The football writers scoffed at City. Some of their methodist writers thought it was about soft-power. It wasn't it was about commercial opportunity and participating in the greatest sport on the planer. Everyone loves football. And Manchester City can go global like no other club. City's equity structure is split 3 ways: Sino-Arab-US. Looks obvious now where the Manchester City takeover was heading. Some focused on soft-power but they got it wrong. Football is a business opportunity for those with the commercial and political connections to pull it off. This will be an interesting back-drop to the football where Manchester City could take centre-stage.
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No I don't subscribe any longer but I disagree with that conclusion and suspect it is not including the likely spending this Summer (Koulibaly etc) and you can't look in one year view anyway.
You need to do another pod restarting ffp Ann hownits relax this year and how it will effect clubs in the next 3 year accounts also how much we could spend.
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I think this thread may be getting a bit *too* serious.
Its a food source for the lurkers who this afternoon will start to leak some of the worries, some posters on here are expressing and pass them off as fact.
oakiecokie
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Literally happening as we speak!
Wonder who got the first punch in ?
Some obvious issues - we never sold Sane for £55m - the down payment nearer £42m (and it is a one off - we have never sold a single player for that sort of FFP profit before). Messi couldn't be on a 5 year deal at 33 so you'd need to amortise over 3 not 5 years. The wages look wrong according to the leaked contract (https://www.spiegel.de/internationa...si-s-100-million-euro-contract-a-1187549.html) which says he gets €106m from Barca pa before bonuses. It is unlikely to be a free transfer it seems. We haven't sold anyone else yet so it is hard to conclude on that. And we need a top line striker imminently regardless of Messi - that is a signing required in the next 2 periods with a likely cost of £20m amortised plus £10m annual wages.
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Would not call Xavi, Iniesta or Busquets plodders but I get your drift!
I would call Busquets one.
kaz7
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Sky this morning, pep has been branded a thief for taking messi away from barca,on top of all their other shit this last week tells me the red shites and the rest of the nine have been on the phone lol
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Jorge shits on us here and he is dead, fucking dead to me!
The Light Was Yellow Sir
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Unbelievable how quickly you got some landed with that. I despair sometimes.....Keep up mate. I think that happened this morning, that’s when I first saw it mentioned.
Not at all. The post referred to sponsors ("But we don’t know how many potential sponsors are lurking in the background. We don’t just rely on Abu Dhabi based sponsors for our commercial income and I’m sure we’d be even less reliant on them if Messi signed.")When you're feeling the need to distinguish between a partner and a kit manufacturer, things are getting a bit stupid.
The £65m per year Puma pay us goes into the commercial revenue pot. They are one of the people who will be paying extra per year to use Messi's image in their marketing.
You can't add a second kit deal. We have one kit deal and it is already contracted. We can't rip up the Puma deal because we sign Messi unless there are clauses in there that adjust for it.
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I didn’t see everything that was posted about this last night but I was surprised to see @projectriver getting involved. Make no mistake, his legal insight into our appeal at CAS was an invaluable source of info for many City fans and gave us some reassurance that we would prevail, and a lot of it panned out the way he thought it would.
However, I would respectfully disagree with him that City signing Messi would automatically see us back up before the beak and that this time UEFA won’t “fuck up” the investigation. Firstly, signing Messi doesn’t somehow mean that we fail FFP. If the club feel we can do the deal and stay within the parameters of FFP and we indeed do so while doing everything above board then we won’t be getting punished for breaching FFP because there will be nothing to punish us for. Secondly, while it could be claimed that UEFA fucked up parts of the last investigation, the fact is that once it got to CAS it turned out that they had little of note on us and what they did have was easily debunked so the investigation should never have gotten as far as it did anyway.
As you say, there will be a lot of noise from certain quarters if this goes through but they will need a lot more than noise to bring us down because I doubt that UEFA would have the stomach to go through all this again unless we had actually indeed breached FFP this time
And of course that suite of Champions league sponsors won’t be happy with the prospect of Messi being banned if he plays for City.
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Just realised, I have a vested interest in Messi signing for us and wearing no10. My car reg is MCFC10. I bet the plate would be worth more than the car if this goes through.
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