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Ibr80 said:
Sure La Liga certainly on the side of Barcelona because they realize how terrible it would be for Messi to leave.

As a Barcelona fan, I don’t think he will ever play for Barcelona again. But all of the news we follow in Spain that includes members of press who have direct line with his camp, is that Messi is very tense and very concerned because he assumed that he would have an overwhelming amount of support that would crush Bartomeu into a resignation and at that point he would have to negotiate with execs that would take over temporarily. Those folks would likely make a sensible business agreement and it would be very simple.

None of this has happened and now his camp have realized that they don’t have enough leverage with the clause in his contract and they are starting to get anxious. This his fathers overnight trip in private jet.

If indeed he was free or the felt they had a compelling case, they would not even have to sit down and attempt to negotiate.

Barcelona will not budge without a considerable amount of money and or players of significance. I’m not certain who’s it will end but it will not end in court because Man City have already made it clear that they can’t take the risk of signing him.

I see Barcelona taking a couple of good players and cash, or it doesn’t get done.

Barcelona already had a financial plannin place to make the numbers work prior to the Messi news. 100 million for Messi isn’t going to convince them because they will likely make that money with him in the stands on merchandising and sponsorships.

We shall see
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They certainly couldn't take the risk of having to pay €700m. But it seems that doesn't apply now. If not, then £100m is the best they'll get. You want Eric Garcia so we'll happily put him up as part of a deal, so £70 or 75m plus Garcia.

If the €700m release clause has expired, then it's Barcelona taking all the risk of going to court because they won't get more than £50-60m. But they could get nothing if FIFA rule that June 10th really meant the end of the season and he can leave for free. So there's a 50% chance of maybe £60m and a 50% chance of nothing. Whereas there's a 100% chance that City will offer more than the best you will get from FIFA.
 
Ibr80 said:
Sure La Liga certainly on the side of Barcelona because they realize how terrible it would be for Messi to leave.

As a Barcelona fan, I don’t think he will ever play for Barcelona again. But all of the news we follow in Spain that includes members of press who have direct line with his camp, is that Messi is very tense and very concerned because he assumed that he would have an overwhelming amount of support that would crush Bartomeu into a resignation and at that point he would have to negotiate with execs that would take over temporarily. Those folks would likely make a sensible business agreement and it would be very simple.

None of this has happened and now his camp have realized that they don’t have enough leverage with the clause in his contract and they are starting to get anxious. This his fathers overnight trip in private jet.

If indeed he was free or the felt they had a compelling case, they would not even have to sit down and attempt to negotiate.

Barcelona will not budge without a considerable amount of money and or players of significance. I’m not certain who’s it will end but it will not end in court because Man City have already made it clear that they can’t take the risk of signing him.

I see Barcelona taking a couple of good players and cash, or it doesn’t get done.

Barcelona already had a financial plannin place to make the numbers work prior to the Messi news. 100 million for Messi isn’t going to convince them because they will likely make that money with him in the stands on merchandising and sponsorships.

We shall see
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Tell me which couple of players and how much cash (in your opinion) would be acceptable?
 
Ibr80 said:
Sure La Liga certainly on the side of Barcelona because they realize how terrible it would be for Messi to leave.

As a Barcelona fan, I don’t think he will ever play for Barcelona again. But all of the news we follow in Spain that includes members of press who have direct line with his camp, is that Messi is very tense and very concerned because he assumed that he would have an overwhelming amount of support that would crush Bartomeu into a resignation and at that point he would have to negotiate with execs that would take over temporarily. Those folks would likely make a sensible business agreement and it would be very simple.

None of this has happened and now his camp have realized that they don’t have enough leverage with the clause in his contract and they are starting to get anxious. This his fathers overnight trip in private jet.

If indeed he was free or the felt they had a compelling case, they would not even have to sit down and attempt to negotiate.

Barcelona will not budge without a considerable amount of money and or players of significance. I’m not certain who’s it will end but it will not end in court because Man City have already made it clear that they can’t take the risk of signing him.

I see Barcelona taking a couple of good players and cash, or it doesn’t get done.

Barcelona already had a financial plannin place to make the numbers work prior to the Messi news. 100 million for Messi isn’t going to convince them because they will likely make that money with him in the stands on merchandising and sponsorships.

We shall see
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Your position is all over the place...

You say you don't think he will play for Barcelona again.
You don't think City will risk signing him
You think Barcelona will get 700m Euros(from whom?)
And Barcelona will leave him in the stands for a year to make 100m... really?
And for some reason connected to Manchester City this won't end up in court, honestly arguably the world best player is going to sit in the stands when there is a question over his status and not take that to court....if for no other reason than to piss off the people that are making him sit in the stands!
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
It does and there would have been no inkling that something like this would happen of course. But it still begs the question of why they didn't frame the clause as "10 days after the official season end". I'm no lawyer but I'd say the intent was pretty clear. But a contract is a legal document and there is no guarantee a court would see it that way.
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The FIFA Dispute Resolution Chamber, which has jurisdiction over international transfer rights, might though. Their own communique would be something of a smoking gun
 
Would you be prepared to wait 12 months for Messi, and take the player on a free?

The danger would be other clubs and age is a factor. Obviously it would depend on his form.

I think we now find out just how strongly Messi believes in his legal position. If they are 100% why would you stay another season? And even if he is unsure he can just sit tight and refuse to play and force bartomeu to back down.

 
chickaroon said:
Barcelona were still in CL on June 10th. Would they have wanted Messi to terminate his contract then or would they have claimed that the season wasn't over.
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Well this is interesting - his contract states the 10th June but he carried on playing until August. Surely that would add something to the argument that the terms of the contract should be adjusted for his last game? Hmmm?
 
cleavers said:
At least you've worked that one out, where in Spain are you again ?
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Every Barcelona fan has. Nobody wants him here against his will, we just wish he showed us the same class of the pitch as he did on the pitch. And I’m in the US by the way.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
They certainly couldn't take the risk of having to pay €700m. But it seems that doesn't apply now. If not, then £100m is the best they'll get. You want Eric Garcia so we'll happily put him up as part of a deal, so £70 or 75m plus Garcia.

If the €700m release clause has expired, then it's Barcelona taking all the risk of going to court because they won't get more than £50-60m. But they could get nothing if FIFA rule that June 10th really meant the end of the season and he can leave for free. So there's a 50% chance of maybe £60m and a 50% chance of nothing. Whereas there's a 100% chance that City will offer more than the best you will get from FIFA.
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It really all boils down to that release clause amount.

If they can get FIFA to sign off on it not existing then they will be OK.

That's what happened with our underage signings CAS arbitration - we asked the FA and FIFA to agree with our opinion on the laws. They agreed and then couldn't touch us when it later went to CAS.

@tolmie's hairdoo said Messi's people had opened legal proceedings with FIFA. If what they are trying is to get a legal opinion from FIFA agreeing with their interpretation of the release clause then its a no brained, we sign him and settle for <75m later.
 
Marvin said:
Would you be prepared to wait 12 months for Messi, and take the player on a free?

The danger would be other clubs and age is a factor. Obviously it would depend on his form.

I think we now find out just how strongly Messi believes in his legal position. If they are 100% why would you stay another season? And even if he is unsure he can just sit tight and refuse to play and force bartomeu to back down.

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Its now or never for me. This is our only chance of signing him when he is in good condition.
 
Marvin said:
Would you be prepared to wait 12 months for Messi, and take the player on a free?

The danger would be other clubs and age is a factor. Obviously it would depend on his form.

I think we now find out just how strongly Messi believes in his legal position. If they are 100% why would you stay another season? And even if he is unsure he can just sit tight and refuse to play and force bartomeu to back down.

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Personally for me it's this year or never
 
Corky said:
It sounds like you have taken some sentences from Talksport and chopped them up like them thin white duke and put them back together.

Narrative tends to be one of the most misused word this days, and has taken on a pantomime villain role as a pejorative term.
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Do i detect some subtle promotions for your own show here Mr Gough ;-)
 
chickaroon said:
Barcelona were still in CL on June 10th. Would they have wanted Messi to terminate his contract then or would they have claimed that the season wasn't over.
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The circumstances made it impossible for Messi to perform that part of the contract that allowed him to terminate without, as you say, dropping Barca in it. This must be them showing their gratitude.
 
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