Yan Couto

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decmancity said:
You integrate players who you think are good enough. City clearly believe none of the ones we have had on loan are. What's the problem?

As for 'promising them chances'. None of us know the intricacies of the discussions. We have been buying and selling at this level for a decade now. We are still hoovering up talent across the world so clearly the so called reputation that some on here think we have doesn't exist.

I wonder if Gabriel Jesus sat in Brazil thinking about what happened to Denayer before he signed. Maybe Zack Steffen should have checked how we treated Angelino and should have turned down the chance of a lifetime when he accepted City's contract.
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Except that we don't give them chances, or a consistent run of games to prove it here, even when the loans are successful. Then what is the point of the loan, other than to sell for profit later. This ties into the problem of both the players and sometimes their agents saying they would get gametime but not have City deliver, Couto most recently even said it.

Gabriel Jesus was Brazil's number 9 before we bought him, he even replaced Aguero when we brought him in. Obviously buying players for the first team is great and has absolutely nothing to do with what people are talking about.

Couto only played at the academy level mostly, he was clearly not a 1st choice buy. He made a terrible mistake coming here.

Funny you bring up Zack Steffen, chose to be 2nd choice to Ederson rather than 1st choice elsewhere, terrible mistake also.
 
Neville Kneville said:
I am not suggesting he goes straight into our first team, only that he is given the opportunity to play some minutes.

I was replying to the nonsense youtube cliché that because Samaras etc looked ok, anyone else who looks good is therefore likely to be shit.

Not sure why Cancelo having to wait getting a game for City means Couto isn't allowed to play at some point ? Isn't he our left back currently ?

And seeing as Garcia, who currently lacks most of the basic elements in his game, of a Premier League defender, is considered 'safe' to use in a crucial position, I can't see any possible excuse, for a talented young player with pace & skill, who can play out wide, not being given a few minutes here and there. It's much less of a risk.

Unless he doesn't settle of course, which is fair enough.

But he was signed, as the best young player in the world in his position, by Pep personally persuading him to come & try out for our first team, rather than play elsewhere

So that means he should be training with a view to playing, not loaned out.
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I did tell you he would be going out on loan.

His complete lack of minutes at senior level was the biggest indicator for me.

To throw a young lad in after no experience whatsoever at a good level would be criminal.

Gabriel Jesus had won a league title with Palmeiras and represented his country before he kicked a ball for City. Yan Couto was NEVER going to be considered for the first team, not this season anyway.

Hope he does well at Girona and i hope he does turn out a gem. Maybe next season, or the season after that.
 
CenturyClub said:
I did tell you he would be going out on loan.

His complete lack of minutes at senior level was the biggest indicator for me.

To throw a young lad in after no experience whatsoever at a good level would be criminal.

Gabriel Jesus had won a league title with Palmeiras and represented his country before he kicked a ball for City. Yan Couto was NEVER going to be considered for the first team, not this season anyway.

Hope he does well at Girona and i hope he does turn out a gem. Maybe next season, or the season after that.
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Next season or beyond that we will buy another expensive RB who will cost more than €40m
 
Pablo1 said:
Anybody who thinks we promise anybody a first team spot, regardless of their ability, is crackers.
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That's a bit of a strange comment because I'm sure we promise quite a few players a first team spot. Players look for those assurances of their place as part of their negotiations.

This guy is on record as saying that he turned us down initially because he didn't fancy joining only to be loaned out and claims he had offers from other big clubs which included a first team spot.
 
bondsman said:
He could’ve started in front of Cancelo for me.
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Based on what mate? The lad's just turned 18, barely anyone's seen him play, and he'd need loads of time to improve and develop, it's good that a loan at Girona can possibly allow him minutes. If he does well we can call him back, barring any hurdles.
 
catalyst said:
Based on what mate? The lad's just turned 18, barely anyone's seen him play, and he'd need loads of time to improve and develop, it's good that a loan at Girona can possibly allow him minutes. If he does well we can call him back, barring any hurdles.
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Based on the fact I don’t rate Cancelo, haven’t seen him have a dcecent game at RB in a city shirt and I’d happily see us give the kid a shot. He could be dump but imho so is Cancelo so not a lot to lose by giving him a go.
 
Tugay One Cup said:
That's a bit of a strange comment because I'm sure we promise quite a few players a first team spot. Players look for those assurances of their place as part of their negotiations.

This guy is on record as saying that he turned us down initially because he didn't fancy joining only to be loaned out and claims he had offers from other big clubs which included a first team spot.
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Offers from "big" clubs then is farmed out to a small Spanish 2nd division club!
 
bondsman said:
Based on the fact I don’t rate Cancelo, haven’t seen him have a dcecent game at RB in a city shirt and I’d happily see us give the kid a shot. He could be dump but imho so is Cancelo so not a lot to lose by giving him a go.
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That's fair, but put it this way, it's hard to get games when Walker is fit, you cannot just add a 3rd right back to the squad when Cancelo was just bought in last year. I know a lot of people don't rate him, but I think in due course people will see his quality.
 
Tugay One Cup said:
That's a bit of a strange comment because I'm sure we promise quite a few players a first team spot. Players look for those assurances of their place as part of their negotiations.

This guy is on record as saying that he turned us down initially because he didn't fancy joining only to be loaned out and claims he had offers from other big clubs which included a first team spot.
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Just agent and PR talk, I'd be surprised if the lad is that daft he doesn't know he wouldn't be guaranteed any starting spot let alone in a side that has two right backs of which one was bought in just a year ago. Not a fan of sending players Girona, but seems it's a club policy to loan players to one of CFG clubs rather than elsewhere. Be interesting what comes of this, if he is really as good as some say it will show.
 
Pubteam Lomas said:
I do love a fan that rates a 'kid' they've seen on YouTube higher than a Portuguese international who has played for Valencia, Juventus...
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Tell you why, it's twitter influence. They've seen United, Chelsea, Arsenal start to field youth because those clubs are in a constant state of rebuilding and need to fill gaps. Some of them, as evident, likes of Saka, Reece James, Mason Mount, Greenwood have worked out and looked bright. So begins the trend of, you know how footy twitter is, our club youth1!1! And it's got the younger fans following City desperate to have that at our club as well. Hence why you will also see hype over Jayden Braaf when all we've known of him is from a 2 minute clip and some photos, that's it.
 
bondsman said:
He could’ve started in front of Cancelo for me.
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Really? An 18 year old with limited experience is going to start over a 60million pound full international?

Even you think he could, Guardiola’s track record at City shows that is very unlikely to happen
 
catalyst said:
Just agent and PR talk, I'd be surprised if the lad is that daft he doesn't know he wouldn't be guaranteed any starting spot let alone in a side that has two right backs of which one was bought in just a year ago.
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It's not agent talk at all. He said it himself.

He said he knew it would be difficult to get his chance but made it clear that he didn't want to join a club simply to be loaned out.

Either he changed his mind, we lied to him or this rumour is bullshit.
 
CenturyClub said:
I did tell you he would be going out on loan.

His complete lack of minutes at senior level was the biggest indicator for me.

To throw a young lad in after no experience whatsoever at a good level would be criminal.

Gabriel Jesus had won a league title with Palmeiras and represented his country before he kicked a ball for City. Yan Couto was NEVER going to be considered for the first team, not this season anyway.

Hope he does well at Girona and i hope he does turn out a gem. Maybe next season, or the season after that.
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And Pep did tell him he would be given a chance if he signed for City, so he should be.
 
Maybe we sat down with him and went through the options. One of which was regular football in a competitive European league for a team who play in a similar style to us. A pathway to the first team mapped out.
 
Tugay One Cup said:
What's your point?

He turned down big clubs to join us. Now we've supposedly made the decision to throw another bone Girona's way.

Because that idea's been such a success so far...
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My point is , he is a young kid with great potential, but, he was never going to any club in any decent league from the off.

He is a long term project.
 
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