COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Mon Autre]

And?
People were being careful and the concensus of opinion was that we could begin to return to normality.
People are no longer being careful so advice changes. We have to limit economic damage as best we can.

Sorry but you're rewriting history there. That was not the consensus of opinion in July.

The Chief Medical Officer said in July that the UK had reached its limit on how much more could be opened up if the virus was to be kept under control. The government responded by spending all of August telling us that we all ought to needlessly go back to the office even if we could do our jobs perfectly well at home. That was clearly over and above what Whitty was saying we could afford to do. Especially with us needing to keep the decks clear in order to make way for schools to reopen.

Scientists have repeatedly warned us that we were a long way off any kind of return to normality. So it's entirely correct to criticise the government for having to change its messaging

 

[Healdplace]

The England hospital data in detail. Easily the grimmest in a long time I must say. And almost impossible for anyone to credibly deny the increase in deaths seems to be escalating.

21 Sep adds 2 = 2 after one day.

20 Sep adds 12 = 15 after two days. A number to make you gulp I trust. The last time the second day total has been that high is 9 July. As I told you the other day these 'last time' dates will keep heading backwards as a sure sign of numbers going the wtrong way.

19 Sep adds 2 = 8 after three days.

18 Sep adds 4 = 13 after four days. Again you have to go back over 2 months to find higher numbers.

17 Sep adds 4 = 17 after five days. This is the highest five day total since 13 July. And the last 4 five day totals have risen from 9 to 12 to 15 to 17. A very clear escalation in just a few days.

14 Sep added another 2 to take it into double figures at 11. So now we have six successive days with double figure numbers already this week - something that last happened on 10 July.

The other two were older deaths - on 4 Sep one added to make the total 6 (that's how recently that sort of low number was common).

And one remarkably as far back as 31 March. A date for which there are now 662 deaths. To put the numbers today (bad as they are) iin context.

 

[blueinsa]

Scotland going a lot harder. There's no date I've seen yet but it sounds like they're banning separate households seeing each other in the near future.

Yep we are effectively back in a full lockdown with households banned from meeting up.

 

[mosssideblue]

So boozers have to shut at 10pm due to excessive alcohol intake being a huge concern in the spread of Corona. What's to stop me going in 2 hours earlier than I normally would and drinking the same amount? Or is it just after 10pm Corona fancys infecting people?

Apologies if already covered, just mind boggling really, they don't have a clue what to do.

I can only assume Boris is trying in this next phase of measures to reduce the rate of infection levels to a more manageable level, whilst still giving the public a small carrot.

Should there be no measurable impact, I can see pubs being closed fully again

 

[kaz7]

Sorry, but I disagree. It's a ridiculously stupid approach. Collectively I'm fine to work with 30 or 40 people but I can't go and visit my brother or sister after work. For the love of god, we need some middle ground and common sense.

You can go and see them ,no more than six of you together at the same time is the current rule

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

Can all the experts on here explain what should be done to get this virus under control as no country seems to have effectively managed to do so other than someone like N.Z who effectively closed it's borders for months and had a far stricter lockdown than we did.

 

[blueparrot]

Scotland going a lot harder. There's no date I've seen yet but it sounds like they're banning separate households seeing each other in the near future.

Reveiwed in 3 weeks, though it's only meeting in houses, 2 households can meet outdoors or in Restaurants, cafes and similar

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

You can go and see them ,no more than six of you together at the same time is the current rule

you don’t live in Greater Manchester do you cos you can’t . Households cannot mix in gtr Manchester for a few weeks now

 

[bluejon]

Can all the experts on here explain what should be done to get this virus under control as no country seems to have effectively managed to do so other than someone like N.Z who effectively closed it's borders for months and had a far stricter lockdown than we did.

There's an argument the virus is currently under control based on the fact that the death rate has been flatlined since the beginning of August. The only major effect of the new measures will be more businesses going under.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

You can go and see them ,no more than six of you together at the same time is the current rule

In a garden in the pissing rain. I'm not allowed in their house as per the rules. Or apply common sense, wash hands, sit apart.

 

[mexico1970]

I’m reassured by a teacher (my daughter) that children will be taught in small bubbles including meal times and playtimes, everything is being done to protect children and staff it’s taken a long long time to sort it out but its now done.

Thats there school and it’s time parents stood up for their own kids and demand the local authorities do something if schools are not following the correct measures.

Are the school allowing teachers not to wear masks and telling the children they have to wear masks? That's what one of our local schools are doing.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

There's an argument the virus is currently under control based on the fact that the death rate has been flatlined since the beginning of August. The only major effect of the new measures will be more businesses going under.

Death rate is increasing as are hospitalisations and ventilator usage so that's incorrect, try again

 

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

Forgive me if all of this has been covered on here previously, but I've not been keeping up with this thread or with the news in general recently.

BUT

Early on in this saga as a result of the national "data" we had an enforced "soft" lockdown and as a result (mortality and general infection) cases dropped, however, the economy crashed, so certain restrictions needed to be lifted in order to stimulate the economy;

BUT,

What I can't figure out is why didn't we stagger these restriction lifts?
Why didn't we leave enough of a time gap between each of these easing of restrictions to gather evidence to see which of these changes were effecting the R rate?

We just "went for it" wholescale, almost every day new restrictions were being lifted.
We were told very early on that we could be infected by the virus, but that there was as much as a two week incubation period between infection and symptoms, so, why were there not two week gaps between each of the lifts to work out what had an affect and what didn't?

This is NOT a scientific approach, not even close.

It doesn't make an ounce of sense to me (and I'm supposedly quite scientifically minded), which leads my mind to believe that there is something fairly dodgy about all this, and that we're not being told the whole truth here.

If anybody can come close to giving me a reason I'd be very grateful as my Bipolar mind is kicking in and the conclusions I'm reaching during my manic periods are fairly "conspiracy theorist" :):

 

[Healdplace]

There's an argument the virus is currently under control based on the fact that the death rate has been flatlined since the beginning of August. The only major effect of the new measures will be more businesses going under.

Flatlined? I think that is hard to justify. I am niot making up the England death numbers just posted. They are clearly not flatlined. Thewy may not yet be very high but they are rising almost day by day.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Of 383 new infections in Scotland today

27 are in people over 65
16 are in kids under 15
103 are in the 15-19 bracket
All the rest 20-64

 

[bluejon]

Death rate is increasing as are hospitalisations and ventilator usage so that's incorrect, try again

Death rate is not increasing. Search UK Covid Deaths on google, gives the up to date figures, they have been hanging around the same figures since the beginning of August. Hospitalisation and ventilator usage has gone up a small amount but nothing to imply a larger second wave is on the way.

 

[SPIDERBOY]

Reveiwed in 3 weeks, though it's only meeting in houses, 2 households can meet outdoors or in Restaurants, cafes and similar

So,my brother can't come in my house....ok,I get that,and will abide by it.
But,I can sit with him in the pub as COVID can't get me in the boozer,or can't get me till 10:01pm.

 

[bluejon]

Flatlined? I think that is hard to justify.

As per the post above, google "UK Covid Deaths". The numbers have stayed within the same range since beginning of August.

 

[blueinsa]

You can go and see them ,no more than six of you together at the same time is the current rule

We can't. As of tomorrow in Scotland no household visits.

 

[Healdplace]

As per the post above, google "UK Covid Deaths". The numbers have stayed within the same range since beginning of August.

Sorry I am trusting the numbers I see every day. These have all but doubled in 7 days (16 to 29). Those are just the UK hospital death numbers.Without care homes, at home deaths etc added.The ventilator numbers have too. The patient numbers also. Both posted last night in here. That is not 'the same range'.