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Saddleworth2 said:
That looks like a framework for a proper negotiation. Better late than never.
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Yeah, a lot of the deal has been agreed and now they are going to thrash out legal texts while we wait for Johnson to signal yay or nay on the necessary compromises to make the deal. Barnier has already got the flexibility he wanted from the E27 on fish and a bit more wriggle room on LPF.

Barnier is trying to drag both sides back to the common ground of the Political Declaration that was agreed with the WA.
 
BobKowalski said:
Yeah, a lot of the deal has been agreed and now they are going to thrash out legal texts while we wait for Johnson to signal yay or nay on the necessary compromises to make the deal. Barnier has already got the flexibility he wanted from the E27 on fish and a bit more wriggle room on LPF.

Barnier is trying to drag both sides back to the common ground of the Political Declaration that was agreed with the WA.
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Saint Barnier.

What a guy he is.
 
blueinsa said:
Saint Barnier.

What a guy he is.
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In a way, yes. People forget that this is a three way negotiation, the UK, the E27 and their representative. Barnier’s job is to fulfill the mandate the E27 give him, but also sell the E27 on what they need to compromise on to get a deal. Fish being the most obvious one where the coastal states were being very hardline and have now ‘softened’.

Barnier stated that the Political Declaration should be the basis of the future deal because that is what the PD was for and both sides agreed to it as part of the WA.

Where Barnier/EU hobbled themselves a bit with the PD was to be dismissive about it, non binding ‘window dressing’, but then get evangelical about it when it was much more to his liking.
 
BobKowalski said:
In a way, yes. People forget that this is a three way negotiation, the UK, the E27 and their representative. Barnier’s job is to fulfill the mandate the E27 give him, but also sell the E27 on what they need to compromise on to get a deal. Fish being the most obvious one where the coastal states were being very hardline and have now ‘softened’.

Barnier stated that the Political Declaration should be the basis of the future deal because that is what the PD was for and both sides agreed to it as part of the WA.

Where Barnier/EU hobbled themselves a bit with the PD was to be dismissive about it, non binding ‘window dressing’, but then get evangelical about it when it was much more to his liking.
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I'm just happy and relieved he has had the good grace to allow us back to the table.

Phew!
 
Vic said:
Unbelievable. Why would it be an excellent result to continue to allow EU boats to fish our waters for three years? Would five years not be even more excellent?

You know, I know, even your yes men on here know that you'd have said it was excellent if we'd said not one fish from our waters from 1st Jan.
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I know why it would be a good idea - a particularly good idea

TBF 5 years would not be a terrible idea - but 3 years is better

Better still would be a 3 year commitment with a 2 year option to extend

It is pretty obvious as well - not loads of experience managing negotiations needed to discern it - but I am not interested that you are not able to
 
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west didsblue said:
Yes it’s funny as fuck. This bizarre idea that British fishermen should be overjoyed that they have a 3 year transition from fishing in British waters to fishing in British waters. Must have taken some tough negotiating from our professional team.

I suspect our next stunning victory will be that the Germans will be able to export their cars to the UK tariff free and without customs checks for a 10 year transition period.
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If you spent a fraction of the time thinking the subject through that you do making such posts then you might be able to work out the obvious
 
mcfc1632 said:
I know why it would be a good idea - a particularly good idea

TBF 5 years would not be a terrible idea - but 3 years is better

Better still would be a 3 year commitment with a 2 year option to extend

It is pretty obvious as well - not loads of experience managing negotiations to discern it - not my interest that you are not able to
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So you don't know...

Or do I have to roll my trouser leg up to find the secret knowledge?
 
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Ancient Citizen said:
I doubt that very much, the response from the electorate would be too damaging.
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Really? The elcetion is 4 years away, there will likely be 60 thousand people dead as a result of CoronaVirus by the end of Decemeber, mass unemployment and hungry children. I don't think people would be that bothered if we put off national self-harm for a few more months
 
BobKowalski said:
Yeah, a lot of the deal has been agreed and now they are going to thrash out legal texts while we wait for Johnson to signal yay or nay on the necessary compromises to make the deal. Barnier has already got the flexibility he wanted from the E27 on fish and a bit more wriggle room on LPF.

Barnier is trying to drag both sides back to the common ground of the Political Declaration that was agreed with the WA.
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???

"....got the flexibility he wanted from the E27 on fish and a bit more wriggle room on LPF."

Does that not mean Barnier has got the EU to agree levels of compromises?

I thought that was never going to happen - because the EU held all the cards and had no need to make any moves

What's changed recently?
 
blueinsa said:
Realities are beginning to hit and bite and yes, it's looking like good news in so much a deal is about to get done.
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Some realisation must have hit home with the EU recently

I wonder what that might be that has caused them to shift positions and offer compromises

Let me think;-)
 
mcfc1632 said:
???

"....got the flexibility he wanted from the E27 on fish and a bit more wriggle room on LPF."

Does that not mean Barnier has got the EU to agree levels of compromises?

I thought that was never going to happen - because the EU held all the cards and had no need to make any moves

What's changed recently?
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EUCO meeting last week gave Barnier the flexibility he has been after on fishing. France accepts quotas will change, their focus is now on access to fishing grounds.

What has changed recently is agreement to work on legal texts on what has already been agreed.

What hasn’t changed is closure of the gap on LPF/State Aid, governance, and fishing. E27 have signalled their compromise and to close the deal the UK have to do the same.

The problem for Johnson is that the deal available isn’t great and neither is ‘no deal’. Whatever the decision, negotiations will continue because whatever happens this year will not be sustainable in the long, or even medium term.
 
Blue Hefner said:
Really? The elcetion is 4 years away, there will likely be 60 thousand people dead as a result of CoronaVirus by the end of Decemeber, mass unemployment and hungry children. I don't think people would be that bothered if we put off national self-harm for a few more months
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12 months ago the topic of conversation in my coffee shop when politics camre up was the election and brexit. Today I can say brexit hasn't been spoken about since we reopened after lockdown. As you say Covid, health and the economic impact are the only conversation when politics comes up, and Boris comes out very badly.
Any brexit extension would barely be noticed or bothered about. What will be noticed and very much bothered about is any additional economic impact of brexit on top of Covid impacts.
 
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