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blueinsa said:
More than relevant for this thread.

news.sky.com

Labour MP Rosena Allin-Khan told to repay £1,142 for third Commons rule breach

She used "public resources" to tell people on Brexit: "If I am re-elected... I will campaign to Remain in all circumstances."
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Was it the Russians that made her do it I wonder?
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Glad to see you are on top of the feckless use of taxpayers money. Starting at the bottom means you have a long list to get through before finishing up with a £100 billion on ‘Operation Moonshit’.
 
BobKowalski said:
Glad to see you are on top of the feckless use of taxpayers money. Starting at the bottom means you have a long list to get through before finishing up with a £100 billion on ‘Operation Moonshit’.
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Bob it's important we treat each case on its own merits and if guilt is found we call it out yes?

She is making it a habit breaking the rules.

I'm certain a few posters who have been very vocal re the rules will be on to denounce her and call for her head as soon as they read it.
 
blueinsa said:
Bob it's important we treat each case on its own merits and if guilt is found we call it out yes?

She is making it a habit breaking the rules.
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As I said, you have a long list of examples of feckless, even corrupt use of public funds to get through. You have started with this one and I trust it will not end there.
 
BobKowalski said:
As I said, you have a long list of examples of feckless, even corrupt use of public funds to get through. You have started with this one and I trust it will not end there.
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It's today's news. When others are accused and found guilty I will happily call it out.
 
BobKowalski said:
EUCO meeting last week gave Barnier the flexibility he has been after on fishing. France accepts quotas will change, their focus is now on access to fishing grounds.

What has changed recently is agreement to work on legal texts on what has already been agreed.

What hasn’t changed is closure of the gap on LPF/State Aid, governance, and fishing. E27 have signalled their compromise and to close the deal the UK have to do the same.

The problem for Johnson is that the deal available isn’t great and neither is ‘no deal’. Whatever the decision, negotiations will continue because whatever happens this year will not be sustainable in the long, or even medium term.
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Agree with that, i have been saying for a wile the deal will not be good, its a worst of all worlds (except tarifs that come with no deal). We will have to follow EU rules broadly and they will have a mechanism to sanction us if we fall short. And in exchange we get zero tariffs (and some stuff on fishing) but the cost of dropping out of the CU totally wipes out any benefit. Longer term brexit is a massive win for the EU in financial services / professional services / science / manufacturing. We will never compensate for the losses in those sectors with increased trade to the rest of the world and the cost of implementing the changes required in dropping out of the EU will be a massive burden on top of negative impact of trade. Rather than get angry about fish I would think the EU are shocked at how stupid a move it is on our part.

Knowing its a bad deal. The government are maximising the drama and the talk of no deal so that we feel relief when this deal is done. The reality is that the deal could have been done months ago but as with everything brexit the longer you look at the detail the worse it looks. So a last minute deal with zero scrutiny plays best. In fact slagging of the EU is the only political capital in brexit. And Johnson will look to milk it as a massive victory as we avoided no deal and try to play that card where the likes of farage and some ERG nutters will denounce it as a failure.
 
Vic said:
So you don't know...

Or do I have to roll my trouser leg up to find the secret knowledge?
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You have to be a fully fledged cult member to recognise an obvious UK concession with nothing tangible in return as some sort of great victory for Brexit. The fact that they won’t explain it because it’s “so obvious” is the tell. It’s boring and repetitive and best ignored.
 
blueinsa said:
I think that's what we call whataboutery?
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We call her Jennifer Arcuri who coincidentally received public funds while giving late night ‘tech lessons’ to Johnson while he was Mayor of London and got herself on trips for which she did not meet the criteria.

There is a shed load of this to get through and as as our public guardian on these matters you need to get a move on.
 
blueinsa said:
I will take no credit for stating the obvious.
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Hey - you make me feel bad;-)

I have been stating something obvious for a couple of years now - and even recently - months after it was already proved to have been - well obvious

Oh - well - I will just have to try to get over it
 
blueinsa said:
Bob it's important we treat each case on its own merits and if guilt is found we call it out yes?

She is making it a habit breaking the rules.

I'm certain a few posters who have been very vocal re the rules will be on to denounce her and call for her head as soon as they read it.
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My MP has been sending out a pack of fake Brexit news to constituents. I think the only difference is she wrote to constituents just after an election was called so broke the rules.
BobKowalski said:
We call her Jennifer Arcuri who coincidentally received public funds while giving late night ‘tech lessons’ to Johnson while he was Mayor of London and got herself on trips for which she did not meet the criteria.

There is a shed load of this to get through and as as our public guardian on these matters you need to get a move on.
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Don't forget the Jenrick charge sheet. Blueinsa is nibbling at £1,000. Jenrick's unlawful decision was worth £40m to one of his Tory developer mates.
 
Len Rum said:
Bloomberg reporting that the EU are working out how to make any future deal look like a win for BoJo.
Anyway enough of that - How's your EU residency application going?
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No - it is an interesting topic and it's worth exploring it a bit more.............

Yep - I saw the Bloomberg article - sensible management of negotiations that - I have repeatedly commented upon the professionalism of Barnier and his team - especially the group he had at the start.

I would expect - or at least hope - that our team are being similarly professional and ensuring that EU concessions can be dressed up to make it easier for the likes of Macron to present them as victories during his election campaign etc.

But the key words are - compromises and concessions - just let that sink in.

FFS - We even have bob admitting that the EU are compromising - even if it is posted without seemingly feeling any need to admit to being wrong on the subject for so long

We Leavers have had years of patent nonsense about the omnipotent EU - a rules based construct that cannot be made to make any deviation from its rules - yet it has and it does.

It changed its approach - to the detriment of the UK - when Barnier realised what utter incompetents May and Robbins were. So they changed to take more controls over the UK. Why would they not? after all when you have a lemon - squeeze it

And now they have had to get over the sense of bereavement they must have felt when losing their doormats they have changed again and started the journey of compromise

I wonder what the concern was that made them change their positions?

Any ideas?
 
BobKowalski said:
EUCO meeting last week gave Barnier the flexibility he has been after on fishing. France accepts quotas will change, their focus is now on access to fishing grounds.

What has changed recently is agreement to work on legal texts on what has already been agreed.

What hasn’t changed is closure of the gap on LPF/State Aid, governance, and fishing. E27 have signalled their compromise and to close the deal the UK have to do the same.

The problem for Johnson is that the deal available isn’t great and neither is ‘no deal’. Whatever the decision, negotiations will continue because whatever happens this year will not be sustainable in the long, or even medium term.
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So the shorter version of that is:

"yep - you are right.....

The E27 have agreed that compromises are necessary and have confirmed the delegated authority onto Barnier to determine the scope and enact such compromise on their behalf"

the rest is just fluff
 
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blueinsa said:
Bob it's important we treat each case on its own merits and if guilt is found we call it out yes?

She is making it a habit breaking the rules.

I'm certain a few posters who have been very vocal re the rules will be on to denounce her and call for her head as soon as they read it.
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I have a couple of pages to catch up

Just in case you were reckless enough to hold your breath - I hope that there are at least a couple that have not chosen the hiding behind the convenience of double standards

An interesting test would have been if you had place the article on the Conservative thread, or this one, after editing it to make it appear that it was a Tory MP
 
west didsblue said:
You have to be a fully fledged cult member to recognise an obvious UK concession with nothing tangible in return as some sort of great victory for Brexit. The fact that they won’t explain it because it’s “so obvious” is the tell. It’s boring and repetitive and best ignored.
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But you don't ignore it - you continuously comment

I expect it just nags you and Vic that your need to deny that the EU team could have any weaknesses or that the UK team are handling something well - limits your ability to see quite obvious things
 
mcfc1632 said:
I have a couple of pages to catch up

Just in case you were reckless enough to hold your breath - I hope that there are at least a couple that have not chosen the hiding behind the convenience of double standards

An interesting test would have been if you had place the article on the Conservative thread, or this one, after editing it to make it appear that it was a Tory MP
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Can we kill this distraction?

MP gets a criminal conviction for fiddling expenses, loses a recall vote, is reselected by his party to fight the by-election which he loses.

I don't really need to edit anything, do I?
 
mcfc1632 said:
So the sorter version of that is:

"yep - you are right.....

The E27 have agreed that compromises are necessary and have confirmed the delegated authority onto Barnier to determine the scope and enact such compromise on their behalf"

the rest is just fluff
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Not so much ‘sorter’, more just repeating what I said minus the bits where you stick your fingers in your ears and hum loudly.

The situation hasn’t changed in months on the big sticking points. As of today it still hasn’t and won’t until Johnson decides to take the deal on offer (which he doesn’t like) or not take the deal (which he also doesn‘t like).

Meanwhile we are picking fights with northern cities, devolved Govts, Jersey, London and Marcus Rashford against a backdrop of the Chancellor shelving optimistic plans in favour of shovelling more cash into the economy.
 
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