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Didsbury Dave said:
I've got an ongoing argument with my sister. She owns a fairly large business (100 staff) and whilst not being politically engaged at all (I used to tease her about reading The Daily Mail but she admitted it was purely for the celebrity gossip), she was a big remainer and we as a family often discussed openly how horrified we were at the Leave vote and what chances there were of overturning.

Anyway, a few days after the election one of my kids heard from one of her kids that she'd voted for Johnson. I couldn't believe it and when we were pissed I brought it up. She was really defensive, saying "No way was I voting for Corbyn" etc. I said "You've just voted Leave" and she couldn't even quite make the connection. she was spouting that nonsense about Corbyn being a Leaver and a Marxist and all that.

There were millions like that. Not hugely politically engaged, not even aware that a hung parliament would have resulted in a second referendum and we would have remained. It will take me a long time to forgive Labour's left for that. It was fucking obvious from day one that Corbyn was unelectable for many reasons.
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I get that. 80% of people have practically zero interest in politics.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
The fascinating thing about that graph (assuming it's true) is that Boris achieved such a spectacular GE win and majority, when according to those figures a clear majority of the nation opposed his only clear manifesto pledge.
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I feel duty bound (again) to point out that more people voted for parties either with a commitment to revoke Article 50 or at least have another democratic referendum.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
I didn't ignore the "Get Brexit DOne" message. That's Cummings's catchphrase that I mentioned in the very first sentence. Probably more people were just sick of Brexit being on the news than actually caring one way or the other - which was why it was a clever message, to give the prick some credit.

At the time of the election every single poll had Remain ahead of Leave, but because of the factors I've already told you it didn't feed into the election result. You are new to the party here and don't actually seem to understand Brexit very well. But the graph you see above is definitely correct because us obsessed wankers were discussing it on here every single day. Remain took the lead as soon as the truth started to emerge after the referendum and never lost it.
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Yet here we are. I'm not even suggesting brexit is 'right' and remain is 'wrong' - time will tell, but to try and pretend that the public have done anything other than endorse brexit at the ballot box is like Chemical Ali denying the invasion of Iraq was happening as the US tanks rolled along behind him.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Only took 4 years for them to gain the 2%.

I still wonder what the graph would look like had it been Labour in charge of Brexit after 4 years of 'negotiations'. I can't shake the feeling there's a lot of anti-Tory bias present in the results.
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As the Tory government was pro Brexit, there was a lot of anti-Tory bias in the referendum.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Fair point. The demonisation of Corbyn certainly played a part, but I feel you are ignoring the impact of the simplistic 'get brexit done' message. Boris had literally nothing else to commend him. His govt had overseen 10 years of austerity, and his personal flaws were all well known. It seems that the GE result, or that graph inaccurately reflect public opinion on Brexit - in the absence of proof to the contrary it must be the graph that's bollocks. The public had a clear centrist remain choice in the lib dems if ther really wanted remain/revoke and labour /corbyn were too left wing.
The EU referendum, EU elections, and GE all gave the UK public another opportunity to change the direction of travel if they wished, but actual votes which carry more weight than polling consistently reflected the wish to leave the EU.
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The referendum is the only vote that had a majority for Leave.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Yet here we are. I'm not even suggesting brexit is 'right' and remain is 'wrong' - time will tell, but to try and pretend that the public have done anything other than endorse brexit at the ballot box is like Chemical Ali denying the invasion of Iraq was happening as the US tanks rolled along behind him.
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Mate, you are either not reading the posts being made in answer to your point, or not grasping them. Either way, playing clever clogs on here does you no favours bearing in mind you really don’t seem to get even the basics at times.

Even the daftest leavers on this thread don’t dispute that the remain vote was split and the leave vote wasn’t.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Eh?

The Remain vote was split between Labour, Lib Dem, Green, SNP and the other minor parties.
Farage stepped down and the Leave vote all went to Johnson.

Also, many people were so fed up with the political battle that they just wanted it over and bought into Cumming's catchphrase. Don't underestimate the Corbyn factor too. Loads of politically disengaged Remain voters were more frightened of him than Brexit.
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No, it was split between Labour, LibDem, Green, SNP, other minor parties, and Conservative.
Something conveniently ignored on here.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Mate, you are either not reading the posts being made in answer to your point, or not grasping them. Either way, playing clever clogs on here does you no favours bearing in mind you really don’t seem to get even the basics at times.

Even the daftest leavers on this thread don’t dispute that the remain vote was split and the leave vote wasn’t.
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How about the leave vote being split? I voted labour despite wanting brexit to happen.
 
I’m surprised the leavers on here haven’t been a bit more vocal in dismissing the concerns raised earlier about the impending shortage of vets. Ignoring the issue doesn’t make it go away but belittling the concerns is usually effective isn’t it?
 

journolud said:
I’m surprised the leavers on here haven’t been a bit more vocal in dismissing the concerns raised earlier about the impending shortage of vets. Ignoring the issue doesn’t make it go away but belittling the concerns is usually effective isn’t it?
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Some of them are obviously prepared to see kittens die just to get brexit done. Appalling - I always thought we were a nation of animal lovers. At this rate we'll be hoping Delia does a pet recipes book and eating our cherished pets. Inevitable consequence of abandoning high food standards and economic hard times.
 
journolud said:
A case in point
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Bosintang (boshintang) or gaejangguk or in North Korea called dangogiguk is a Korean soup which includes dog meat as its main ingredient.

Ingredients

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Directions

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  1. After boiling the meat with gravy and stalk of taro for some time, boil again after putting vegetables and other ingredients into it.
  2. Before eating, sprinkle pepper on it and put into an earthen bowl.
  3. The stalk of taro is to be kept in cold water one or two days to get rid of its smell and taste.
 
journolud said:
I’m surprised the leavers on here haven’t been a bit more vocal in dismissing the concerns raised earlier about the impending shortage of vets. Ignoring the issue doesn’t make it go away but belittling the concerns is usually effective isn’t it?
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Works a treat. Especially if they keep repeating it because the more often they repeat the same thing the funnier it gets.
 
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