COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[dronefromsector7G]

Can’t compare Europe to Australia, there’s nothing there. Can take a day or 3 to get from one city to another, never mind another country. not 30 minutes or an hour like most of europe.

Melbourne and Sydney have populations of 5 million. On a local scale I wouldn’t class that as ‘nothing there’.

 

[Cityfan]

Priorities all askew in this country, if I drop litter on market street I am pounced on and fined . Walk into a shop with no mask and no exemption card to explain it snd nothing happens.
need to be like Isle of Man send them to prison

Judging by the amount of litter I see that is fairly heavily ignored as well.

 

[inbetween]

Our local Tesco and even the bigger supermarkets in Dumfries are horrendous. Worse of all is seeing most of the staff with no fucking masks on!

I will obey the law and rules up to a point. Once its patently obvious its a fucking ridiculous rule and i feel i and the family can ignore it safely then ignore it i will and being socially distant in a garden seeing family once or twice a week to ensure they are ok and to give us all a mental health boost is one of them.

I think many people are making these kind of decisions from a risk point of view and to be honest it's perfectly acceptable. It's the people who don't factor any risk into their actions that are the problem, for example younger people going out on the lash with 10 mates and then going seeing their parents or grandparents the day after.

Regardless of whether the rules say we can or not, I think our Christmas plan is to have our lot self-isolate the week before and then have Christmas as normal within our 'isolation bubble'. I'm working from home so it's just a case of finishing early on the 18th and staying in doing nowt for a week.

It isn't feasible to lock people up again until spring and it isn't feasible to not have Christmas but we also can't accept that the price of this is 2000+ people dying per day in swamped hospitals.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Judging by the amount of litter I see that is fairly heavily ignored as well.

There are days when I confuse Manchester with Ferentari

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Come the 3rd December there will be a massive rush out to do Xmas shopping etc, it will be carnage.

You think it’ll be lifted then?

 

[Elbow beards]

And now they're talking about it lasting longer than 4 weeks. WTF. this is obscene.

 

[blueparrot]

Melbourne and Sydney have populations of 5 million. On a local scale I wouldn’t class that as ‘nothing there’.

I know, but when one area is locked down, like Melbourne was, there will be very little spread to Sydney. Where isolating say Manchester from Liverpool or Leeds or Belgium from Northern France Holland is a very different proposition when trying to prevent spread. So is a bad comparison to make.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Melbourne and Sydney have populations of 5 million. On a local scale I wouldn’t class that as ‘nothing there’.

16 week lockdown in Melbourne to get from a tiny 700 positive tests a day to zero. 1200 jobs lost EVERY day, 30% increase in the demand for mental health services, a spike of over 30% of other healthcare since September, a huge increase in alcohol consumption and domestic violence. The economic recovery will take years, if not decades, and Covid will be back in Australia sometime in the future. Worth it? You wouldn’t imagine so.

 

[Out on blue 6]

I know, but when one area is locked down, like Melbourne was, there will be very little spread to Sydney. Where isolating say Manchester from Liverpool or Leeds or Belgium from Northern France Holland is a very different proposition when trying to prevent spread. So is a bad comparison to make.

800 miles between Melbourne and Sydney so I agree would take some spreading

 

[Blue Maverick]

You think it’ll be lifted then?

We will see pal, it wouldn’t surprise me if they do it until 2 Jan

 

[lancs blue]

it isn't feasible to not have Christmas

Why not? Cancelling Christmas might be the kick up the arse that some of our more entitled idiots need.

 

[kaz7]

i dissagree, early signs indicate cases are already levelling off.

You cant go on a couple of days , this is coming in waves and you have to act based on that

I feel very down today , this whole thing has been frightening and draining , i wish we had acted three weeks ago and i fear this winter wave will be worse than even i was thinking

No energy to do any sparring today

 

[True_Blue69]

Says the guy who started out saying
"it was no worse than flu"
Then went on to state that "the virus had weakened"
then started posting links to Russian propaganda articles.

You have done nothing but peddled lies and mis-information since you came on this thread. I'm sure you would like me to disapear so you can keep on spreading your know nowt bar stool anti science shite but i won't. I think i'll stay here to remind every one what a proven bullshitter you are

Weren't you the poster claiming that your mates window cleaners cousin knows a 15 year old that killed his grandparents by passing the virus on. Biggest bullshitter on here and most boring poster as well.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Let's be honest even if they did you would just discount it. Your a science denier. Just another one of millions on social media.

Quite the reverse. I'm guided by proven science and common sence - not by unproven science theory.
Face masks for example. Our science establishment said they weren't needed. I said they were talking bollox and they were proven to be talking bollox by proven scientific fact.
The same applies this time round with Covid secure pubs and restaurants. Now establishments not following the rules should be shut down, but overall it's 3% of cases are in restaurants and 5% of cases in pubs. Peanuts. Indeed shutting pubs has driven infection rates up as selfish people are meeting in each others unsecure Covid homes instead.
Schools are directly the source 26% of cases and half of all cases in the home our from teenage children bringing the infection home and giving it to their families (a large chunk of the "Other" statistics).
Where one family member works in a care home that gives us another 26% of cases - driven by care workers with asymptomic Covid-19.
The government is not reporting detailed locations visited by infected people as well as cross referenced locations with other infected people. For some reason our wonderful SAGEs don't want the truth to come out that Schools are driving at least 60% of cases.
Hardly surprising as anecdotal evidence from two high school teacher friends and by others on here has stated that Hands/Face/Space is pretty much non existent in most high schools.
ALL statistics should be published so our SAGEs can be challenged on their theories. If you can't challenge scientific theory it isn't science.

 

[True_Blue69]

You think it’ll be lifted then?

Absolutely no chance. Best we can hope for is back into tier 3 in my opinion. One things for sure if this level of lockdown lasts into next year it will definitely finish off a lot of hotels, restaurants, bars etc as December is they're busiest month and after this year they need it!

 

[kaz7]

smoking makes people die but yet shops sell cigarettes? Having unprotected sex can lead to people catching HIV and dying - last I check we can still do that.
Why do some people think we have a right to immortality? Unfortunately part of life is dying.
I am not missing any point at all - my point of view is that I have two ex colleagues who have taken their life since losing their business, I know multiple people who now cannot pay their bills and are struggling to put food on the table for their kids. The long term impact of the way the government are protecting a small minority is going to be huge.

so because you have a low income you are happy because you get to keep it?

I have lost a business i spent years building up when i had the car accident that disabled me , i get it , i have been through what people are going through now

 

[True_Blue69]

16 week lockdown in Melbourne to get from a tiny 700 positive tests a day to zero. 1200 jobs lost EVERY day, 30% increase in the demand for mental health services, a spike of over 30% of other healthcare since September, a huge increase in alcohol consumption and domestic violence. The economic recovery will take years, if not decades, and Covid will be back in Australia sometime in the future. Worth it? You wouldn’t imagine so.

That is shocking really isn't it.

 

[kaz7]

Kaz wont understand she only sees covid. everything else is irrelevant, Kaz doesnt want a balance she wants covid exterminated i suspect because she has had it badly herself.

As discussed to death between us i do understand but economies always recover , you cant come back to life

For the last time , i understand ALL of the arguements

 

[kaz7]

Gove hilariously trying to wing it on Sophy Ridge. Convinced they are following the science and the 4 week lockdown will bring the R rate down below 1. Not ruling out the lockdown won't be extended but had to be pushed continuely to admit that. I get a little tired of politicians constantly talking about what other European countries are doing. We live in the UK not in France,Spain etc so it's fairly irrevelent.

She is my favourite politcal interviewer , firm but not enough to put them off going on there

 

[Deleted member 77198]

zee Germans haven't done too badly!
Oh and quite a few others.
We're still one of the worst countries for deaths in relation to total population (worse than Trump's USA) and economic damage.

The Germans are doing as badly as we are at the moment. Their T&T system that worked somewhat in the Summer is not working anymore, because T&T doesn’t work if the R is running faster than tracks and traces reach people.