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oman0115 said:
With these type of stats, do we ever get to learn when after the test they died, and whether their death was due to another issue? I know that if you die 28 days after a positive test, it is automatically attributed to Covid. It's very murky waters IMO, especially when you look at the age groups involved.
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Think about it.

Firstly excess deaths have been above officially ascribed Covid deaths during the pandemic. Which strongly suggests the official count is an underestimate.

Secondly, how likely is it that these people would have died of something else by chance within a month of a Covid diagnosis? Let's do some maths. If the average life expectancy is say 5 years at the point of diagnosis (a low figure allowing for the fact they have other conditions) the chance of dieing within a month is just one in 60, suggesting an overcount of less than 2%.

Thirdly, we know some people hang on and die more than a month after diagnosis.
 
Healdplace said:
Regional hospital data:

London up 17 to 857 (was 641 last week) Ventilators Down 2 to 131 (was 97 last wk)

MIdlands up 56 to 1858 (was 1280 last wk) Ventilators up 4 to 197 (was 140 last wk)

North East/Yorks up 118 to 2374 (was 1685 last wk) Ventilators up 2 to 150 (was 113 last wk)

But North West, after several good days, up 160 in day to 2660 and much closer to the peak patients it had in April during first wave at 2890. Was 2192 last week.

Ventilators - though - continue the better news this week up just 1 to 211. Was 203 last week. Smallest rise in the regions. Still well off the 350 top number here in April wave.
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Are deaths in the North West creating Ventilator capacity or are people being moved off Ventilators? Is that info even available?
 
oman0115 said:
With these type of stats, do we ever get to learn when after the test they died, and whether their death was due to another issue? I know that if you die 28 days after a positive test, it is automatically attributed to Covid. It's very murky waters IMO, especially when you look at the age groups involved.
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I don't know mate, sorry. I think the death stats are all people who have been diagnosed with Covid within a 28 day period prior to their death.
 
BlueAnorak said:
We are totally fucked with knobheads like this around...
BBC News - Bristol illegal rave attended by 700 people
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Bristol illegal rave attended by 700 people

Some of the crowd became violent as they were told to leave, Avon and Somerset Police said.
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Shows where we are at with policing now. This police operation started at 10.30 last night and is still ongoing!
 
Summerbuzz said:
Ok. Without being dismissive, you are showing all the signs of being a young adult, with a young adult outlook, driven by a young adult brain. It's itching to get ON WITH IT. Get social, get relationships, fuck.

It fears self-absorption.

It's not ready to sit and rethink things. That is supposed to come a little later.

Life will go back to something close to the way it was, there will be more than enough opportunity for young people to buck the rules, take chances, socialise, mix, create new, lasting social groups that take them forward. It's going to be a few more months til then.

It'd be wrong not to dash your hopes - these arguments will not hold enough sway. It's painful to watch people suffer, in dealing with key developmental stages being affected by outside circumstances, being delayed, or brought forward... but it IS something, that once it's over, you won't likely be troubled by much in the future. The best advice is to adapt for the short term: Don't sit around and think about this stuff. Use your time to learn, improve skills and create. Get out and about on your own, if neccessary. Socialise creatively.

It's not forever. It's a few months. Now please consider that if I say I personally wish you would find a way to show a bit more respect to the right of other groups to survive and thrive. None of this was guaranteed, there are young adults who will through the fates of biology and other factors never get the opportunity to thrive and live as fully as you do. And the older adults, who pass through that stage, they don't want to die just because the economy shrinks and they have to stay at home. They want, they need, to look at the grandparents. And the young kids need their grandparents too. Maybe not in the same way as you need to get out into the world and make it happen for yourself. But maybe you don't need that to happen as much as the 55 year old diabetics and heart disease victims need just to survive.
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I am 57, a little overweight and have worked in the NHS for over 30 years and I’m seeing, every single day, the consequences of lockdown. They don’t work (if they did we’d not being doing it again) and they’re advocated by people whose pensions are not at risk, who are at no risk of furlough and then redundancy. We were told there would be no national lockdown last week that the tier system was enough. The the science presented a series of graphs that would have failed o level anything and everyone’s in thrall to it. Look at this graph here.
EE04D4F9-9E9F-4BC3-B272-7078309E41F1.jpegThe red line appears to be tracking reality whilst the Imperial one doesn’t even start in the right place. Which one did they choose for a ‘reasonable worst case scenario’? I’m sure you know...

Then there’s this one. A4D9383E-E9B6-4788-8CA9-C4E7312F21D8.png

This was Whitty’s original terror graph of exponential case rises to the end of October. The yellow line is the reality

Listen, I know this is a terrible virus and I know we are in unprecedented times but they keep making decisions based on the above, with no evidence published and they’re making decisions about basic freedoms with nothing to back it up. I swore off this thread a couple of weeks ago and I will leave it again now but I just can’t see what we are about to do, being the best scenario. For all you who think it is, fair enough, but don’t make assumptions about posters and don’t assume that there is only one science.
Finally, although people might disagree with each other, there’s really no need to be rude or insulting to each other and, if I’ve been guilty of it in this thread, I apologise.
 
Chippy_boy said:
So what do you suggest? That we just don't bother and "let it rip"? That would be a novel approach not shared by any country in the world. Which leads me to believe it would be an idiotic idea.
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I don’t advocate letting it rip just being a bit more selective on what we do. Manchester’s Covid ICU patients last week were mainly from the group who previously had been in the shielded group. Just think on that for a minute, because they weren’t in there from June to September.
 
Regional scoreboard:

London 2056 - up from 1588

Midlands 3254 - down from 4159

North East - up just 7 to 1170

Yorkshire up to 3800 from 3638.

North West - down over 500 to 4045. Lowest in 9 days.

This is the smallest gap between Yorkshire and NW in some time.

Better day for the region.
 
Snap polling by YouGov indicates adults in England overwhelmingly back the lockdown measures announced by the prime minister.

Some 72% to 23% said they supported the restrictions, with 42% saying they strongly supported them, according to the snapshot.

However, in a sign pandemic fatigue is setting in, this is down from 93% who supported the first lockdown.

The poll was based on 2,258 English adults canvassed after Boris Johnson's address.
 
everythingchangesbutblue said:
Scrutiny from whom? unqualified posters on a football forum? or their peers? because the overwhelming majority of their peers agree with them. This is a pandemic not something trivial. Misinformation and lies are dangerous. I can't believe that some find that controversial. If it was in it's own "alternative theories" thread i wouldn't even bring it up but it's in a thread where a lot of people will get their info from, sadly.
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I'm not offering an opinion on Covid specifically. I'm merely stating that your appeal to authority argument is a fallacy. I think it's far more dangerous if something is not allowed to be challenged or scrutinised because the "experts" say so. How do you know that the so called "experts" are not lying to you if they are not open to scrutiny?
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
Do they have the age data for England anywhere?
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Sort of. The page I get these stats from is https://www.travellingtabby.com/uk-coronavirus-tracker/

It's a really well put together site. Mainly Scotland focused however there is a tab for the UK as a whole near the top, click on that and have a scroll down and there's all sorts of info. Think the Scottish stuff is a bit more in depth but there is still a graph with the age range of every daily infection in the uk as a whole. The deaths ages I think are just in total though rather than daily.
 
NeilYoungIsBack said:
Cheers.

I saw back in September that the average age of death from covid was 81 for males and 85 for females.

In which case, based on ONS Life Tables the average number of years of lost life due to Covid would be around 8 years for males and 7 years for females
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The average life expectancy in the uk is about 80 years old.

Does that mean these people should already be dead?

Do this mean their life is not as important as a 25 year old driven to suicide as a side effect of this pandemic?
 
An error in the test and trace app may have meant to fewer people being told to self-isolate than should have been.

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Coronavirus live - latest news updates: Boris Johnson giving news conference as England goes back into lockdown

The latest news from the UK and around the world on the COVID-19 pandemic - as Boris Johnson holds a 5pm news briefing.
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Was it not too much to ask to get trace and isolate sorted before winter , a kid at uni could have designed a better app for half the amount
 
kaz7 said:
I have lost a business i spent years building up when i had the car accident that disabled me , i get it , i have been through what people are going through now
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So why would you be so insistent that a virus that does nothing to the majority of people be allowed ruin ruin some many people life’s. I get you got it bad, and hope you recover but for the vast majority of the population they won’t get it as bad.

All a lockdown does is pause the spread - it won’t stop it, nothing will. The economy cannot carry on like this.

I’ve personally been lucky that my job is (touch wood) still needed. But I have seen far more people suffering through the damage to the economy than I have from getting this virus. Life is short and we cannot spend it existing by running away from something that only efforts a small amount of the population. Life should be enjoyable- being told to say in a box isn’t enjoyable.
 
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