2020 US Elections

[mancity2012_eamo]

Got naff all to do with the red hat goons.

It's suburbia and the swelling of their Wall st invested bank accounts.

Those whose well-to-do whose social morality may well differ from their financial future security.

Difficult choices for many.

I actually agree with you here.

 

[BobKowalski]

Politics is tribal. Everyone is offended by everything.

I voted to remain in the EU, but I was on the fence for a while. If I had voted to leave, I don’t think I would have been comfortable telling people; the level of discourse is now so low in this country that you get labelled EDL/racist within 2 minutes. Just look at the Brexit thread on here; everyone is a thick, gullible xenophobe who was tricked in to leaving.


There are people in the key swing states who will have moderate or left wing families, friends or colleagues, who might want to vote for Trump because they might be financially better off now than they were 5 years ago. They won’t be comfortable saying this though, because even though they know what their intentions are, they are fearful of being labelled a racist or xenophobe.

There is no reason to be a shy democrat, because the democrats, more so than the republicans, have a platform that is run partly on identity politics. No one is going to say ‘oh my god you voted democrat you are a racist’.

I don’t think most people are like this, but definitely 3-5% ish.

They vote for a racist what do they expect? A pat on the back and a lollipop?

 

[@BluePhil8]

They vote for a racist what do they expect? A pat on the back and a lollipop?

You’re getting it now mate, it’s responses like that which explain why people might want to hide their voting intentions.

 

[Phil1]

You’re getting it now mate, it’s responses like that which explain why people might want to hide their voting intentions.

Voting for Trump shows pretty clear itentions - none of them good.

 

[@BluePhil8]

Ok well glad we’ve all cleared that up and you’ve both shown why there’s absolutely no reason for anyone to be dishonest to the pollsters lmao

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

There surely will be some people who voted for Obama that also voted for Trump the last time?

Just like our own recent General Election, there will be people who decide better the devil they know.

 

[BobKowalski]

I've no doubt the 'shy vote' does exist. To what extent I don't know.
As I said before back 2018 I asked the extremely intelligent family of my niece/godchild in Chicago why Trump won and was totally surprised by the logic for it being given to me.
They would not admit that they voted for him, as they agreed he was a vile human being, but they left me with the distinct impression they had.

I would think there is quite a few like that that are not MAGA hat wearing gimps, that have a modicum of intelligence and as such would like to keep their own prejudices/bias private.

Yeah, and he lost by 3 million votes. He will lose this election by god knows how many million this time and may win via the EC, but the idea that there is this shy vote waiting to sweep him to power doesn‘t really stack up. What will give him power is a system which is designed to temper rule by the majority.

 

[Phil1]

There surely will be people who voted for Obama that also voted for Trump the last time.

Just like our own recent General Election, there will be many who decide better the devil they know.

How utterly utterly depressing.

 

[Bigga]

Ok well glad we’ve all cleared that up and you’ve both shown why there’s absolutely no reason for anyone to be dishonest to the pollsters lmao

On this thread 98% can't see the grey areas.

They're the sign carriers that advocate voter shaming and not seeing or understanding the nuances involved for quite a few.

Those seeking wealth security and the disaffected citizen are more important in this election than any other.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Voting for Trump shows pretty clear itentions - none of them good.

Can't entirely agree with that mate. You can be misinformed or, as last time, half the country, including many black and Hispanic voters, decided to vote for a non-politician.

I voted Brexit, don't have a racist bone in my body, yet the narrative was that anybody who did was subsequently a bigot or racist.

I went with my gut and what info I could try to understand, knowing I was voting with no sinister undertones.

People can be wrong, they don't need to be pigeon holed as racists. If anything, it puts backs up.

 

[BobKowalski]

You’re getting it now mate, it’s responses like that which explain why people might want to hide their voting intentions.

No, really? I’m shocked.

‘I don‘t want to say I voted for a racist because people might think bad of me’ and you think that’s the problem? Not voting for a racist, or a President who thinks those planning to kidnap and murder an elected Governor of a State are the ‘good guys’?

Look, the guy lost by 3 million votes last time, he will lose by a bucket load more this time, so the issue isn‘t the shy votes, the issue is that he doesn’t have the majority of the votes, shy or otherwise, backing him, the only thing he’s got is the system and the courts.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

How utterly utterly depressing.

I've no doubt about it bud, there will have been plenty of women, including black and Hispanic who went with voting for both men at the time.

Question is, how many of them are still in Trump's corner?

If they ain't, they will make the difference for Biden.

 

[@BluePhil8]

No, really? I’m shocked.

‘I don‘t want to say I voted for a racist because people might think bad of me’ and you think that’s the problem? Not voting for a racist, or a President who thinks those planning to kidnap and murder an elected Governor of a State are the ‘good guys’?

Look, the guy lost by 3 million votes last time, he will lose by a bucket load more this time, so the issue isn‘t the shy votes, the issue is that he doesn’t have the majority of the votes, shy or otherwise, backing him, the only thing he’s got is the system and the courts.

I really don’t care about the popular vote mate. I like the electoral college. If the UK used the popular vote, the North of England would be ruled by the South and the chance of ever having a Labour government again would be zero. If Joe Biden wins California by 5 million votes I really couldn’t give a shit, and that gives him no mandate to run the other states.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

I really don’t care about the popular vote mate. I like the electoral college. If the UK used the popular vote, the North of England would be ruled by the South and the chance of ever having a Labour government again would be zero. If Joe Biden wins California by 5 million votes I really couldn’t give a shit, and that gives him no mandate to run the other states.

That's not quite right really. "Progressive" parties took over half the vote in the UK in 2019 despite labours abysmal performance

 

[BobKowalski]

I really don’t care about the popular vote mate. I like the electoral college. If the UK used the popular vote, the North of England would be ruled by the South and the chance of ever having a Labour government again would be zero. If Joe Biden wins California by 5 million votes I really couldn’t give a shit, and that gives him no mandate to run the other states.

Disenfranchising millions of voters, and an unpopular President elected on the back of a system that ensures the voice of the majority is not heard. Yeah, that will end well.

 

[lloydie]

You can now get 8/13 on Biden to win with William Hill. That's 61 % Profit on whatever you stake for something that seems to be done and dusted :)

Doesn't compute for me...
I'm not a betting man but wouldn't that mean if I put £13 on Biden to return £8 + stake, and also £1 on Trump (whilst holding nose) I'm win/win?

 

[@BluePhil8]

Disenfranchising millions of voters, and an unpopular President elected on the back of a system that ensures the voice of the majority is not heard. Yeah, that will end well.

He wasn’t unpopular in 2016 though, in fact he was more popular than Clinton in over 30 states.

 

[bluejon]

Any rough estimate on when the result will be announced?

Anytime in the next month. Regardless of the counted vote both parties are ready to step in with an army of lawyers. This is going to be messy.

 

[BobKowalski]

I've no doubt about it bud, there will have been plenty of women, including black and Hispanic who went with voting for both men at the time.

Question is, how many of them are still in Trump's corner?

If they ain't, they will make the difference for Biden.

Black males voted 81% Clinton, 14% Trump; Black women 98% Clinton.

Hisapanic voted roughly two thirds for Clinton, one third Trump irrespective of gender.

Both candidates were widely disliked with both having unfavourable ratings. Trump still has unfavourable ratings.

 

[Phil1]

Can't entirely agree with that mate. You can be misinformed or, as last time, half the country, including many black and Hispanic voters, decided to vote for a non-politician.

I voted Brexit, don't have a racist bone in my body, yet the narrative was that anybody who did was subsequently a bigot or racist.

I went with my gut and what info I could try to understand, knowing I was voting with no sinister undertones.

People can be wrong, they don't need to be pigeon holed as racists. If anything, it puts backs up.

I don't think that everybody who voted leave was racist, mate. Far from it. Many would have had genuine reasons and concerns and voted accordingly.
That's not to say there weren't many others who did vote for leave for one reason and one reason only.
Wherever it was the right thing or wrong thing to do will play out in time, it doesn't really affect me one way or another as I'm a Spanish resident, a UK passport holder and when seeing the potential for leave happening, now hold an Irish passport as well. Covered all my bases.

Trump though is a different kettle of fish. The uneducated and those living in their own bubble in large parts of the US, the ones who only focus on one aspect of the media will still think that Trump is the right man.
Anybody who digs deeper should be mortified that he's potentially going to get 4 more years.