2020 US Elections

[I'm With Stupid]

Senate race is separate from the Presidential race.

Yeah, but they're voted at the same time, so how does it work?

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Can someone who know about these things tell me how the Democrats can win the presidency (assuming they do), win the popular vote (assuming they do) and still lose the Senate? I get how two years into the presidency, people might change their minds, but presumably everyone voting for Biden now is also voting for Democrats in the senate? Is it just another part of a fucked up system, or is there something I'm not getting?

Only 1/3 of the senate were up, and several were safe.
The Dems were expected to lose one in Alabama, and duly did (quite what a Dem is doing in Alabama is anybody's guess!).
They didn't manage to flip many to them.

A local can probably advise if senators are voted in by county, or basic vote - McConnelll won 117/120 counties in Kentucky.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

You vote for Senators as well as for a President. Each State has two senators to represent them.

Ah, so basically a really small state can get disproportionate power in the senate?

 

[Claytop]

Georgia down to 18,540 lead for Trump now

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Only 1/3 of the senate were up, and several were safe.
The Dems were expected to lose one in Alabama, and duly did (quite what a Dem is doing in Alabama is anybody's guess!).
They didn't manage to flip many to them.

A local can probably advise if senators are voted in by county, or basic vote - McConnelll won 117/120 counties in Kentucky.

Ah, that makes more sense. Cheers.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Yeah, but they're voted at the same time, so how does it work?

What is complicated about it? They are different people. Voters choose their congressmen, senators and President. They dont have to pick the same party for each, they pick individuals

 

[west didsblue]

I mostly agree with your first paragraph, but remember Bush's cronies, lead by Roger Stone managed to stop the recount in Florida in 2000 by storming the election office.

And by stopping the recount on that day they stole the election. It got tied up in the courts all the way up to the supreme court which decided that the delay in the recount caused by Stone and co. took it outside the deadline.

So this isn't exactly new for the Republicans.

As for you're Trump fans or Republicans question, they are definitely Trump fans. When polled in the Republican Senate primaries, 80% of voters said that a prospective senator being loyal to Trump was the most important factor to them.

Rearding the future, I'm afraid Trump isn't going anywhere soon. He will run for 2024, not least because being a rival presidential candidate makes it very difficult for a Biden regime to prosecute him for his various crimes, he will cry about political persecution etc.

I don't think he will run in 2024 for a few reasons:
- SDNY will be straight on his case and he'll be tied up in legal battles with them without the protection of the AG.
- There are numerous federal investigations that will broaden in scope and he will be forced to answer for his complicity in any number of his federal crimes.
- His creditors will want their money back, and together with fines for many of his criminal activities it will probably personally bankrupt him, and who's going to stick their neck out to finance him this time?
- He'll probably be dead by then, the fat unhealthy ****.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Yeah, but they're voted at the same time, so how does it work?

Only a proportion of Senate seats are up each election.

Senate elections every two years.

Senators have a 6 yr term IIRC.

 

[Gray]

Yeah, but they're voted at the same time, so how does it work?

Have you ever seen one of their Ballot Papers. As well as President, Senators, Congressmen, Chief of Police, Fire Chief etc etc there are a miriad of other things on the Ballot. New Jersey I think it was got to vote on legalising Canabis for personal use.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Ah, so basically a really small state can get disproportionate power in the senate?

Yes, but as someone pointed out yesterday, it does act as a counter to the population centres who get more votes in the House.

 

[domalino]

And if that's Biden,why is that good for America? and more importantly,us?

Why is getting Trump out good for America?

His trade wars were fucking the economy before coronavirus. His tax-cut for the rich increased the national debt by 50% in under 4 years. He wanted to kill medicare for all during a pandemic. He refused to pass an economic package to help people during the pandemic, but gave 2 trillion to big business.

He killed a few hundred thousand by lying about the virus, he made the country best prepared for a pandemic suffer the worst from it. He refused to use a prepared pandemic playbook because Obama implemented it. He gave out PPE and emergency equipment based on states being republican/democrat. He gave billions of dollars worth of contracts for PPE to his donors who never delivered working PPE.

He appointed 200 partisan judges, some of whom were deemed unfit for the office, he stoked the racial tensions in the country at every opportunity, he banned muslims from entering the country, he stripped protections for immigrant children. He forcibly deported 60,000 haitians who were being allowed to live and work in the US while Haiti rebuilds from the earthquake.

He asked a foreign country to interfere in the election. He caused the biggest government lockdown in history. He made a well known white supremacist his head strategist. He assassinated Iran's #2 general in a foreign country without notifying anyone.

He destroyed whistleblower protections, he had his people illegally spread the name of the whistleblower who came forward against him and then sought out a personal vendetta that spread to even firing Lt Vindman's brother from the army.

He took the US out of the paris climate accord, approved oil pipelines through protected land, he stripped protections from the national forests, he gutted the EPA and replaced qualified, experienced people with donors and oil/gas lobbyists. He made a climate change denier the head of the white house committee on climate change, he made an anti-abortion lobbyist the head of the family planning program in poor areas.

And then there's all the day to day little stuff - the racism, the sexism, the general degrading of the office, the destroying of the everyday norms that make things work - like following a court order or subpoena, instead of forcing every single one into the courts for 6 months.

So that's the stuff "anyone but trump" won't do.

And so it's great for Americans and it's great for us because the American economy, their attitude to the environment and their politics in general all effects us. Look how BLM spread to this country or how Steve Bannon and Cambridge analytica brought their election meddling to Britain. Think about how we negotiate a trade deal with someone who thinks he has to be the out and out, unbeatable winner of every deal he makes.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

What is complicated about it? They are different people. Voters choose their congressmen, senators and President. They dont have to pick the same party for each, they pick individuals

Well yeah, but it's fairly unusual for very large numbers of people to pick different parties for different parts of government. And let's be honest, people usually vote on party lines in practice, not for individuals.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Why is getting Trump out good for America?

His trade wars were fucking the economy before coronavirus. His tax-cut for the rich increased the national debt by 50% in under 4 years. He wanted to kill medicare for all during a pandemic. He refused to pass an economic package to help people during the pandemic, but gave 2 trillion to big business.

He killed a few hundred thousand by lying about the virus, he made the country best prepared for a pandemic suffer the worst from it. He refused to use a prepared pandemic playbook because Obama implemented it. He gave out PPE and emergency equipment based on states being republican/democrat. He gave billions of dollars worth of contracts for PPE to his donors who never delivered working PPE.

He appointed 200 partisan judges, some of whom were deemed unfit for the office, he stoked the racial tensions in the country at every opportunity, he banned muslims from entering the country, he stripped protections for immigrant children. He forcibly deported 60,000 haitians who were being allowed to live and work in the US while Haiti rebuilds from the earthquake.

He asked a foreign country to interfere in the election. He caused the biggest government lockdown in history. He made a well known white supremacist his head strategist. He assassinated Iran's #2 general in a foreign country without notifying anyone.

He destroyed whistleblower protections, he had his people illegally spread the name of the whistleblower who came forward against him and then sought out a personal vendetta that spread to even firing Lt Vindman's brother from the army.

He took the US out of the paris climate accord, approved oil pipelines through protected land, he stripped protections from the national forests, he gutted the EPA and replaced qualified, experienced people with donors and oil/gas lobbyists. He made a climate change denier the head of the white house committee on climate change, he made an anti-abortion lobbyist the head of the family planning program in poor areas.

And then there's all the day to day little stuff - the racism, the sexism, the general degrading of the office, the destroying of the everyday norms that make things work - like following a court order or subpoena, instead of forcing every single one into the courts for 6 months.

So that's the stuff "anyone but trump" won't do.

And so it's great for Americans and it's great for us because the American economy, their attitude to the environment and their politics in general all effects us. Look how BLM spread to this country or how Steve Bannon and Cambridge analytica brought their election meddling to Britain. Think about how we negotiate a trade deal with someone who thinks he has to be the out and out, unbeatable winner of every deal he makes.

But apart from that, what have the Roman's ever done for us?

 

[Gray]

Yes, but as someone pointed out yesterday, it does act as a counter to the population centres who get more votes in the House.

Quite often with all the various different political differences between President, Senate and Congress nothing bloody gets done.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Made me smile....

 

[domalino]

Ah, that makes more sense. Cheers.

Also because the ballot papers are so long and boring and can often have 10 things on them, not everyone bothers to vote for all of them. Some people will just vote for Biden and not vote for a senator at all. Which is why Biden could win Georgia but the republicans win the senator election.

 

[west didsblue]

Well yeah, but it's fairly unusual for very large numbers of people to pick different parties for different parts of government. And let's be honest, people usually vote on party lines in practice, not for individuals.

That's true, which would explain why Republicans who can think for themselves would vote for Biden, but vote GOP in all the other races.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Why is getting Trump out good for America?

His trade wars were fucking the economy before coronavirus. His tax-cut for the rich increased the national debt by 50% in under 4 years. He wanted to kill medicare for all during a pandemic. He refused to pass an economic package to help people during the pandemic, but gave 2 trillion to big business.

He killed a few hundred thousand by lying about the virus, he made the country best prepared for a pandemic suffer the worst from it. He refused to use a prepared pandemic playbook because Obama implemented it. He gave out PPE and emergency equipment based on states being republican/democrat. He gave billions of dollars worth of contracts for PPE to his donors who never delivered working PPE.

He appointed 200 partisan judges, some of whom were deemed unfit for the office, he stoked the racial tensions in the country at every opportunity, he banned muslims from entering the country, he stripped protections for immigrant children. He forcibly deported 60,000 haitians who were being allowed to live and work in the US while Haiti rebuilds from the earthquake.

He asked a foreign country to interfere in the election. He caused the biggest government lockdown in history. He made a well known white supremacist his head strategist. He assassinated Iran's #2 general in a foreign country without notifying anyone.

He destroyed whistleblower protections, he had his people illegally spread the name of the whistleblower who came forward against him and then sought out a personal vendetta that spread to even firing Lt Vindman's brother from the army.

He took the US out of the paris climate accord, approved oil pipelines through protected land, he stripped protections from the national forests, he gutted the EPA and replaced qualified, experienced people with donors and oil/gas lobbyists. He made a climate change denier the head of the white house committee on climate change, he made an anti-abortion lobbyist the head of the family planning program in poor areas.

And then there's all the day to day little stuff - the racism, the sexism, the general degrading of the office, the destroying of the everyday norms that make things work - like following a court order or subpoena, instead of forcing every single one into the courts for 6 months.

So that's the stuff "anyone but trump" won't do.

And so it's great for Americans and it's great for us because the American economy, their attitude to the environment and their politics in general all effects us. Look how BLM spread to this country or how Steve Bannon and Cambridge analytica brought their election meddling to Britain. Think about how we negotiate a trade deal with someone who thinks he has to be the out and out, unbeatable winner of every deal he makes.

What a brilliant post. Bravo Sir

 

[Gray]

To Domalino - Don't forget poncing around in a stupid baseball cap.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

I dont think any bring anything directly.

People bang on about a trade deal but the reality is that the US have very low regulation and environmental standards. So why would we allow them in to compete with our firms. There is a reason why the EU have no trade deal and the same applies to us - governments own figures show there is little to gain from increased trade with the US.

The bigger picture is regarding basic decency and evidence based politics. Trump and Brexit come from the same space where you say any old bollocks to back up your bat shit crazy agenda. The result is a fu*king mess as seen over the last 4 years, getting rid of Trump is a step in the right direction of rejecting that brand of pollitics.

Absolutely. I am hoping it will be a watershed moment. It probably won't but its a chance to change the direction of world politics.