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Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:

Non-EU markets - United States of America​

The European Union currently has no trade agreements with United States of America.
More information about United States of America

^^^This is from the site you linked to - I didn't write it. This is what it says about the UK post Jan 01/21......

Non-EU markets - United Kingdom (from 01/01/2021)​

The European Union currently has no trade agreements with United Kingdom (from 01/01/2021).

The two trade arrangements look remarkably similar to me, and currently we don't seem to be struggling to do business with the US.
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Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Indeed, but it appears to be based on free trade and friendly relations - exactly the same as ourselves in Jan.
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we have a mutual recognition agreement signed - that is far from an FTA - indeed it looks like to get an FTA this will have to be ripped up so they don't have to meet ur food standards

www.gov.uk

UK-USA Mutual Recognition Agreement

Documents relating to the UK-USA Mutual Recognition Agreement (MRA).
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
 
bluethrunthru said:
we have a mutual recognition agreement signed - that is far from an FTA - indeed it looks like to get an FTA this will have to be ripped up so they don't have to meet ur food standards

www.gov.uk

UK-USA Mutual Recognition Agreement

Documents relating to the UK-USA Mutual Recognition Agreement (MRA).
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
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I'm sorry, but the 'mutual recognition document' is not much more than a friendly way of describing the fact that we failed to agree a trade deal due to the silly demands from the US (TTIP). If you scroll passed the part of the page you screen-shotted to 'Non-EU markets' the deals standing with every nation in the world are individually listed for all to see. That is what I've quoted. The EU currently has no trade agreements with the USA. Exactly the same as ourselves now, and exactly the same as ourselves in Jan 21.
 
blueinsa said:
Yeah.....I know.....but......but......what if......
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Worth a look at the MRA actually......

Mutual Recognition Agreements​

Mutual Recognition Agreements (MRAs) promote trade in goods between the European Union and third countries and facilitate market access. They are bilateral agreements, and aim to benefit industry by providing easier access to conformity assessment.

Conformity Assessment Bodies​

Mutual recognition agreements lay down the conditions under which one Party (non-member country) will accept conformity assessment results (e.g. testing or certification) performed by the other's Party (the EU) designated conformity assessment bodies (CABs) to show compliance with the first Party's (non-member country) requirements and vice versa.

MRAs include relevant lists of designated laboratories, inspection bodies and conformity assessment bodies in both the EU and the third country. Links to existing lists are provided on this website.


It would appear that there is a way to trade with due regard for each others standards and without a chlorinated chicken breast in sight. I'd imagine that for a country that is already in perfect alignment with EU standards this would be fairly simple to achieve - especially if the land of terrible food standards across the water has managed it. Quite often this thread fails to throw anything new up, but I think the fair and impartial way @bluethrunthru has posted the links to this stuff shows that he at least is prepared to rise above the tiresome twitter stuff and provide genuinely thought provoking stuff - happy to admit I've learned something tonight.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Worth a look at the MRA actually......

Mutual Recognition Agreements​

Mutual Recognition Agreements (MRAs) promote trade in goods between the European Union and third countries and facilitate market access. They are bilateral agreements, and aim to benefit industry by providing easier access to conformity assessment.

Conformity Assessment Bodies​

Mutual recognition agreements lay down the conditions under which one Party (non-member country) will accept conformity assessment results (e.g. testing or certification) performed by the other's Party (the EU) designated conformity assessment bodies (CABs) to show compliance with the first Party's (non-member country) requirements and vice versa.

MRAs include relevant lists of designated laboratories, inspection bodies and conformity assessment bodies in both the EU and the third country. Links to existing lists are provided on this website.


It would appear that there is a way to trade with due regard for each others standards and without a chlorinated chicken breast in sight. I'd imagine that for a country that is already in perfect alignment with EU standards this would be fairly simple to achieve - especially if the land of terrible food standards across the water has managed it. Quite often this thread fails to throw anything new up, but I think the fair and impartial way @bluethrunthru has posted the links to this stuff shows that he at least is prepared to rise above the tiresome twitter stuff and provide genuinely thought provoking stuff - happy to admit I've learned something tonight.
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BobKowalski said:
Ireland really laying it on thick with Biden...

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Mayo are delighted, but we had a clown from Dunbeg in Co. Clare on the other day still spouting support for Trump because of his golf course and hotel there.

Whatever works for the local economy I suppose but I have considered driving down there and carving fuck Trump out on the 18th hole green, but we’re under lockdown.
 
bluethrunthru said:
I posted that earlier in the week - Biden dislikes Johnson intensely because of the snide "part Kenyan" remark in one of his columns right at a time the birth certificate thing was raging over there. This is the thing for Johnson - he has now reached a level where his cavalier dog whistle bull shit from his past can start to come back to haunt him.
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Yeah, it’s not going to be a warm and fuzzy relationship and Biden‘s Irish Catholic upbringing means Mass, Catholic school and folk tales of Irish famine, black & tans, bloody Sunday and do not fuck with the Good Friday Agreement, although to be fair that was the view of the Trump Administration and Republicans. Ireland appears to be one of those rare things that unites both sides. The other is trade deals and their ‘America First‘ stance.

Dublin have played a blinder with the US on Brexit and the NI border. Biden is just a big fat cherry on the cake. It helps isolate the UK for the next four years on the Brexit issue and Biden will push the UK to make a deal with the EU. It’s an added complication for the UK and puts pressure on Johnson to compromise on an EU deal.
 
BobKowalski said:
Yeah, it’s not going to be a warm and fuzzy relationship and Biden‘s Irish Catholic upbringing means Mass, Catholic school and folk tales of Irish famine, black & tans, bloody Sunday and do not fuck with the Good Friday Agreement, although to be fair that was the view of the Trump Administration and Republicans. Ireland appears to be one of those rare things that unites both sides. The other is trade deals and their ‘America First‘ stance.

Dublin have played a blinder with the US on Brexit and the NI border. Biden is just a big fat cherry on the cake. It helps isolate the UK for the next four years on the Brexit issue and Biden will push the UK to make a deal with the EU. It’s an added complication for the UK and puts pressure on Johnson to compromise on an EU deal.
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More proof that Cummings is the re-imagining of the tactical turtle
 
BobKowalski said:
Yeah, it’s not going to be a warm and fuzzy relationship and Biden‘s Irish Catholic upbringing means Mass, Catholic school and folk tales of Irish famine, black & tans, bloody Sunday and do not fuck with the Good Friday Agreement, although to be fair that was the view of the Trump Administration and Republicans. Ireland appears to be one of those rare things that unites both sides. The other is trade deals and their ‘America First‘ stance.

Dublin have played a blinder with the US on Brexit and the NI border. Biden is just a big fat cherry on the cake. It helps isolate the UK for the next four years on the Brexit issue and Biden will push the UK to make a deal with the EU. It’s an added complication for the UK and puts pressure on Johnson to compromise on an EU deal.
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Transition period ends 01 Jan, we leave with or without a deal. Biden becomes US President on 20 Jan.
 
BobKowalski said:
Yeah, it’s not going to be a warm and fuzzy relationship and Biden‘s Irish Catholic upbringing means Mass, Catholic school and folk tales of Irish famine, black & tans, bloody Sunday and do not fuck with the Good Friday Agreement, although to be fair that was the view of the Trump Administration and Republicans. Ireland appears to be one of those rare things that unites both sides. The other is trade deals and their ‘America First‘ stance.

Dublin have played a blinder with the US on Brexit and the NI border. Biden is just a big fat cherry on the cake. It helps isolate the UK for the next four years on the Brexit issue and Biden will push the UK to make a deal with the EU. It’s an added complication for the UK and puts pressure on Johnson to compromise on an EU deal.
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I honestly don’t care. Well that’s probably not the best way of putting it, but my view on how Britain fares out of trade deals is not my primary concern. I genuinely wish you well on that.

But I do care a lot about North South relationships on this island.
I think Cummings, sorry I mean Johnson, would have backed Trump. That says a lot to me.

I’ve made it clear from the start in this thread I have no trust in your government where Ireland is concerned.
 
bluethrunthru said:
trying to play both sides in the desperate hope that somehow Trump - who he and a number of other Ultra's in the cabinet have tweeted as their favoured outcome - will still prevail.
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Tbh I think he's just treading a fine line brought about by Trump being too childish to concede. As Trump hadn't done so he had to slightly caveat it.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Tbh I think he's just treading a fine line brought about by Trump being too childish to concede. As Trump hadn't done so he had to slightly caveat it.
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They are all shitting tin tonight as any last hope they had of salvaging anything out of Brexit has gone. There has been no progress with the EU coz they were hoping and hanging on now - with about 8 weeks to go - their game of brinksmanship has smashed them in the face. Biden will be at very best lukewarm on a deal with us - he will back Eire and by default the EU - the EU now knows this and have watched the last of all those cards we hold burn in our hands any deal we get with the EU will be laughably thin and no doubt be unsellable to those who voted Brexit. To the victors the spoils and as could be seen from the outset the EU have won - even more spectacularly than they could have hoped for. Say goodbye to Gibraltar and welcome EU fishing fleets into our waters - its the only way they will be able to keep food on the shelves come January. Even with that the red tape will be immense.
 
bluethrunthru said:
They are all shitting tin tonight as any last hope they had of salvaging anything out of Brexit has gone. There has been no progress with the EU coz they were hoping and hanging on now - with about 8 weeks to go - their game of brinksmanship has smashed them in the face. Biden will be at very best lukewarm on a deal with us - he will back Eire and by default the EU - the EU now knows this and have watched the last of all those cards we hold burn in our hands any deal we get with the EU will be laughably thin and no doubt be unsellable to those who voted Brexit. To the victors the spoils and as could be seen from the outset the EU have won - even more spectacularly than they could have hoped for. Say goodbye to Gibraltar and welcome EU fishing fleets into our waters - its the only way they will be able to keep food on the shelves come January. Even with that the red tape will be immense.
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tbh I think the priority is probably the pandemic at this moment and the US election and brexit are just sideshows for the time being. I think I've already accepted the unlikelihood of the 'oven ready' deal and moved on. Not because I think it's great, but I just cant see a deal happening, and the alternative to both sides giving a bit and pretending they have won is both sides sticking to their current positions and pretending they have won.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Transition period ends 01 Jan, we leave with or without a deal. Biden becomes US President on 20 Jan.
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Irrelevant. All foreign Govts will be talking to, and taking their cues from, Biden and his transition team. Biden is who they will have to deal with for the next four years and all Govts will be seeking to know where he stands on foreign policy issues. No one is waiting around until 20th Jan to find out.
 
BobKowalski said:
Irrelevant. All foreign Govts will be talking to, and taking their cues from, Biden and his transition team. Biden is who they will have to deal with for the next four years and all Govts will be seeking to know where he stands on foreign policy issues. No one is waiting around until 20th Jan to find out.
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Who would have thought a Biden victory would have meant a punishment beating for the UK?

Is it too late to apologise to Biden for leaving the EU and upsetting Dublin?
 
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