2020 US Elections

[Dax777]

Even if it is in fact true that there was fraud and irregularities, which there always is in every election, I sincerely doubt there was enough of it to overturn the outcome.

But even if there was enough to overturn the outcome, I doubt the Supreme Court will do so. Overturning the believed outcome will lead to a permanent civil unrest that would destroy the Country.

And too many outside forces would happily fund (or should I say continue funding) the riots that that would help achieve that outcome.

So in the best interest of the Country, it probably would be best not to overturn the election unless the fraud/irregularities are so eggregious that is shock the conscience to let it stand.

So far, I have seen no evidence that meets that standard.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Even if it is in fact true that there was fraud and irregularities, which there always is in every election, I sincerely doubt there was enough of it to overturn the outcome.

But even if there was enough to overturn the outcome, I doubt the Supreme Court will do so. Overturning the believed outcome will lead to a permanent civil unrest that would destroy the Country.

And too many outside forces would happily fund (or should I say continue funding) the riots that that would help achieve that outcome.

So in the best interest of the Country, it probably would be best not to overturn the election unless the fraud/irregularities are so eggregious that is shock the conscience to let it stand.

So far, I have seen no evidence that meets that standard.

Trump was always going to play this card when he lost, it's all so painfully predictable

even his fan base can't really be arsed with it

 

[mexico1970]

He should move to Trump towers now so that they can get the fumigators in, the voting system in all democracies is flawed, hell Trump won the election last time on a flawed system but it's only well and good when he wins it.

I have said it before but that basketcase of a country is on a slow boil to destruction, politicians from both sides have done a number on them that's for sure.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Even if it is in fact true that there was fraud and irregularities, which there always is in every election, I sincerely doubt there was enough of it to overturn the outcome.

But even if there was enough to overturn the outcome, I doubt the Supreme Court will do so. Overturning the believed outcome will lead to a permanent civil unrest that would destroy the Country.

And too many outside forces would happily fund (or should I say continue funding) the riots that that would help achieve that outcome.

So in the best interest of the Country, it probably would be best not to overturn the election unless the fraud/irregularities are so eggregious that is shock the conscience to let it stand.

So far, I have seen no evidence that meets that standard.

Just out of interest what scale of fraud do you 'think' was going on. And how?

Not irregiualrities and questionale ballots where that is always going to happen with millions of ballots. I'm talking about deliberate and intentional subversion of the process.

 

[west didsblue]

Even if it is in fact true that there was fraud and irregularities, which there always is in every election, I sincerely doubt there was enough of it to overturn the outcome.

But even if there was enough to overturn the outcome, I doubt the Supreme Court will do so. Overturning the believed outcome will lead to a permanent civil unrest that would destroy the Country.

And too many outside forces would happily fund (or should I say continue funding) the riots that that would help achieve that outcome.

So in the best interest of the Country, it probably would be best not to overturn the election unless the fraud/irregularities are so eggregious that is shock the conscience to let it stand.

So far, I have seen no evidence that meets that standard.

The only prospect of fraud being found is if multiple sacks of unopened ballots are found hidden in USPS sorting offices in states where DeJoy did the most damage, which may swing one or two states won by Republicans to the Democrats, and may clinch the senate for the Dems. I anticipate epic levels of hypocrisy from all the Republicans who are alleging fraud not wanting those ballots counted (if they exist).

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Just out of interest what scale of fraud do you 'think' was going on. And how?

Not irregiualrities and questionale ballots where that is always going to happen with millions of ballots. I'm talking about deliberate and intentional subversion of the process.

The only prospect of fraud being found is if multiple sacks of unopened ballots are found hidden in USPS sorting offices in states where DeJoy did the most damage, which may swing one or two states won by Republicans to the Democrats, and may clinch the senate for the Dems. I anticipate epic levels of hypocrisy from all the Republicans who are alleging fraud not wanting those ballots counted (if they exist).

The reality is, the GOP have been pushing the fraud narrative since well before the election.

Remember when Trump said 'mail-in ballots are being dumped in rivers'?

Trump claimed ballots were 'dumped in a river.' The reality is far from it.

The White House said ballots in Wisconsin were lost in a river. But Wisconsin elections officials say no ballots were involved in the incident.

abcnews.go.com

Turns out it wasn't true. They were a few undelivered mail-in ballots found at the side of a road, lumped in with a load of other undelivered mail; probably as an indirect result of DeJoy's policy to scupper mail delivery in mainly Democratic voting districts.

The only election fraud we have actual evidence of is the GOP's attempt to screw the USPS in order to try and subvert Democratic party votes.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Batshit crazy - the Left are Satan?

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

He should move to Trump towers now so that they can get the fumigators in, the voting system in all democracies is flawed, hell Trump won the election last time on a flawed system but it's only well and good when he wins it.

I have said it before but that basketcase of a country is on a slow boil to destruction, politicians from both sides have done a number on them that's for sure.

“Both sides” FFS.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Batshit crazy - the Left are Satan?

You'd think a professional actor would be able to learn his lines rather than spend most of the video looking off camera. He looks like he's being held at gun point.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Batshit crazy - the Left are Satan?

very sad

 

[SebastianBlue]

But what possible gain could there be for a person to continually publicly maintain their account of voting fraud but officially (and privately) recant their account of said voting fraud when being questioned by federal law enforcement under penalty of law...

 

[SWP's back]

“Both sides” FFS.

Fucking mental isn’t it.

 

[SWP's back]

This is the fraud that walking lobotomy Kenny was talking about. Awful awful stuff.

 

[DrBlueBob]

This is the fraud that walking lobotomy Kenny was talking about. Awful awful stuff.

I reckon any economist worth his salt could turn that 180 into more than 14,000.

 

[SebastianBlue]

I reckon any economist worth his salt could turn that 180 into more than 14,000.

Only if you give us control of the central bank, otherwise we can’t be arsed.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

But what possible gain could there be for a person to continually publicly maintain their account of voting fraud but officially (and privately) recant their account of said voting fraud when being questioned by federal law enforcement under penalty of law...

Trumps goons have been actively encouraging people to come forward with details of election fraud. I would not be surprised if they actively encourage fabricated evidence but i guess they are being closely watched, they will be pushing this as hard as they can without incriminating themselves. Somepeople will no doubt step up to the plate and look for their 15 seconds of fame. But these elections are tightly run - they knew this shit storm was coming. In fact i bet they are much better organised than many other western countries because of what happened in Floirda with Gore V Bush and the threats of lawsuits that hang over every close race.

Trump is not seeking credibility - he never does. He just wants his narrative put before his base and he hopes that will be enough. I think at this point the people around him know the best they can do is push the 'stolen election' narrative and then hope to keep the grift going and fight on another day. Days are running out though and Biden is playing it well by just subtly acting the role of POTUS elect.

 

[kaz7]

Oh come on. You can phone ahead and provision can be made to ensure things are done at a social distance. No different from going to a shop for essentials or even a covid test.

Something like 250m voters in the us , phone ahead lol

 

[kaz7]

People who were already dead certainly couldn’t make it in person, but they could put a stamp on a letter.

Trump fanboy

 

[SebastianBlue]

Trumps goons have been actively encouraging people to come forward with details of election fraud. I would not be surprised if they actively encourage fabricated evidence but i guess they are being closely watched, they will be pushing this as hard as they can without incriminating themselves. Somepeople will no doubt step up to the plate and look for their 15 seconds of fame. But these elections are tightly run - they knew this shit storm was coming. In fact i bet they are much better organised than many other western countries because of what happened in Floirda with Gore V Bush and the threats of lawsuits that hang over every close race.

Trump is not seeking credibility - he never does. He just wants his narrative put before his base and he hopes that will be enough. I think at this point the people around him know the best they can do is push the 'stolen election' narrative and then hope to keep the grift going and fight on another day. Days are running out though and Biden is playing it well by just subtly acting the role of POTUS elect.

I was being sarcastic, mate. Everyone with a functioning brain understands what the postal worker gains by privately recanting his account when questioned by law enforcement, but publicly maintaining that he did not recant.

And I predicted most of this would happen well before the election, including in several discussions you and I had where you indicated that I was exaggerating the lows to which the Republicans and the Trump camp would go to attempt to subvert election results and maintain control over his base. In fact, a few of us predicted this. So none of this is surprising.

As I have said many times before, we are currently in the third and most perilous stage of the election: the stage where Trump and co attempt to lie, swindle, and cheat their way in to staying in office. The fourth stage is him being dragged out for the White House kicking, screaming, and tweeting and Biden being sworn in. Only then is the election actually over.

 

[stonerblue]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...mala-harris-coronavirus-covid-19-live-updates

The latest update is that the current president appears to have gone golfing for the second day in a row. His motorcade recently arrived at Trump National Golf Club, in Sterling, Virgina, according to a White House reporter.

A handful of demonstrators lined the sidewalks near the entrance of the club. Two signs read: “ORANGE CRUSHED” and “TRUMPTY DUMPTY HAD A GREAT FALL.”

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