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the pcr tests they are using are clearly not fit for purpose for example elon musk tested +ve and -ve on the same day. the test centre near me is completely empty every time i walk past. In a survey half of nhs nurses said they would not take the vaccine. that is nhs nurses. So how will the vaccine ever work

Elon Musk was not using PCR - according to his own twitter he was tested with the "Rapid antigen test from BD" - which is not PCR


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/11/17/elon...ren-after-string-of-covid-19-tweets-13606015/

Please provide a reference for your NHS nurses claim, 'cos that sounds like ballcocks too.
 
the pcr tests they are using are clearly not fit for purpose for example elon musk tested +ve and -ve on the same day. the test centre near me is completely empty every time i walk past. In a survey half of nhs nurses said they would not take the vaccine. that is nhs nurses. So how will the vaccine ever work
What survey ?
 
the pcr tests they are using are clearly not fit for purpose for example elon musk tested +ve and -ve on the same day. the test centre near me is completely empty every time i walk past. In a survey half of nhs nurses said they would not take the vaccine. that is nhs nurses. So how will the vaccine ever work
Yes the PCR tests are fit for purpose. Analytical/diagnostic science is not where TV shows will have you think it is. PCR is the gold standard for this stuff.

A false negative is bad, granted. All tests suffer the same fate. No test is 100% accurate/precise.

It's better to receive a false positive and isolate asymptomatically than it is to receive a false negative and mix with others. False positives make up the underwhelming minority of all results. I don't have the figures to hand because I don't think anyone has that as you can't confirm a result without a confirmatory test which is at least as accurate.

Regarding the vaccine thing, there's too much hysteria and disinformation about and it's sadly led to this. As much as we should and do trust healthcare workers, they're not the experts on this stuff, they are experts on healthcare, not drug development. They play a crucial role in reporting possible side effects and not much else.
 
Northern Ireland data:

9 deaths

5 F / 4 M Ages 40 - 59 (1), 60 - 79 (1) 80 + (7)

These are still coming from care homes mainly, sadly as the number with outbreaks has risen from 154 to 165 over the weekend.

549 cases

Rolling 7 day cases total down a little from 3831 yesterday to 3724 but seems to be stalling.

Ages split of those 3724 tested positive

0 - 19 535 (up 26 on yesterday), 20 - 39 1213 (down 54 on yesterday), 40 - 59 1157 (down 42 on yesterday), 60 - 79 544 (down 19 on yesterday) 80 + 275 (down 18 on yesterday).

Patients 449 (up 22)

Ventilators 35 (down 2)
 
Yes the PCR tests are fit for purpose. Analytical/diagnostic science is not where TV shows will have you think it is. PCR is the gold standard for this stuff.

A false negative is bad, granted. All tests suffer the same fate. No test is 100% accurate/precise.

It's better to receive a false positive and isolate asymptomatically than it is to receive a false negative and mix with others. False positives make up the underwhelming minority of all results. I don't have the figures to hand because I don't think anyone has that as you can't confirm a result without a confirmatory test which is at least as accurate.

Regarding the vaccine thing, there's too much hysteria and disinformation about and it's sadly led to this. As much as we should and do trust healthcare workers, they're not the experts on this stuff, they are experts on healthcare, not drug development. They play a crucial role in reporting possible side effects and not much else.
Very true. My other half is 25 years front line NHS and hasn’t got a clue about vaccines. Except that they would have one.
 
the pcr tests they are using are clearly not fit for purpose for example elon musk tested +ve and -ve on the same day. the test centre near me is completely empty every time i walk past. In a survey half of nhs nurses said they would not take the vaccine. that is nhs nurses. So how will the vaccine ever work
Elon Musk was using rapid tests not PCR
 
If anyone gets the chance, have a listen back to last half hour or so of James O’Brien on LBC today. Some absolute nut jobs calling in about the vaccine. One chap reckons the vaccine will have a chip in it that will sync to 5g and then ‘they’ will be able to kill us.
Some of the stuff circulating on social media is amazing. It's almost as if people have gone back to the dark ages when witches used to be burned. It's incredible that people seem ready to believe any conspiracy theory they can latch onto.
 
N Ireland 3 wks ago v 2 wks v last wk v today

Deaths 15 v 6 v 11 v 9 today - these do seem to be slowing down or falling.

Cases 722 v 570 v 514 v 549 today - very clear stall at this level.

7 day rolling cases total 6493 v 4629 v 3736 v 3724 today - showing that stall in evidence.

Patients 360 v 413 v 420 v 449 today - hard to see much change there. Though not rising fast is good.

Ventilators 33 v 44 v 39 v 35 today - all the deaths are obviously a factor with low numbers but going in the right direction.
 
Some of the stuff circulating on social media is amazing. It's almost as if people have gone back to the dark ages when witches used to be burned. It's incredible that people seem ready to believe any conspiracy theory they can latch onto.
Its easy to understand how women accused of being a witch back in the 16th & 17th centuries had difficulty getting an uneducated and superstitious population to believe them when we have presumably educated idiots today who believe such nonsense.
 
England 330 hospital deaths in detail:

16 Nov adds 45 = 45 after 1 day (last wk added 39)

15 Nov adds 159 = 195 after 2 days (last wk added 109 for 2 day score of 142)

14 Nov adds 72 = 200 after 3 days (last wk added 71 for 3 day score of 193)

13 Nov adds 37 = 203 after 4 days (last wk added 35 for 4 day score 185)

12 Nov adds 5 = 244 after 5 days (last wk added 16 for 5 day score 198)

Other add ons were 11 Nov (now 221), 10 Nov (now 250), 9 Nov (now 290). 8 Nov (now 242), 7 Nov (now 261) 3 Nov (now 201) and 1 Nov (now 216).

As you will notice with the absence of mention of records broken none were today. Which IS a positive on a catch up day.

The only one really is the 290 (up from 289) for 9 Nov which is the most deaths currently ascribed to one day in England hospitals in the second wave. At the moment 8 days on no dates behind it look in imminent danger of getting that high. Another positive.

Though these things can change of course.
 
Some of the stuff circulating on social media is amazing. It's almost as if people have gone back to the dark ages when witches used to be burned. It's incredible that people seem ready to believe any conspiracy theory they can latch onto.
You have to hand it to those pesky Russians and their army of chat bots on social media. They want the world to buy their vaccine and creating mistrust on social media is their way of doing it, looks like it’s working on the mistrust side of things.

What’s the other option then to not having with vaccine? Needlessly kill people who could be saved by it, leave people struggling with the long covid which fucks you up for your rest of your life. Overwhelm the health service and then have a knock on effect of people dying from cancer, heart disease etc from everything being shelved to fight covid. Then tank the economy, poverty going through the roof and a rise in suicides.

I can understand people being suspicious but what’s the other option?
 
Well what we believe doesnt matter. If half of nhs nurses dont take the vaccine this will snowball throughout society. This is why i said we will still have lockdowns at the end of next year and it will be a long time before we are back to the football
 
Well what we believe doesnt matter. If half of nhs nurses dont take the vaccine this will snowball throughout society. This is why i said we will still have lockdowns at the end of next year and it will be a long time before we are back to the football
Where is your link to that? Ive 3 members of my immediate family in the NHS and theyve never heard of such a survey of nurses
 
Well what we believe doesnt matter. If half of nhs nurses dont take the vaccine this will snowball throughout society. This is why i said we will still have lockdowns at the end of next year and it will be a long time before we are back to the football
It'll be great when Darwinism eliminates the dafter members of society. There's really not much of a down side for us clever people. Can't wait.
 
Well what we believe doesnt matter. If half of nhs nurses dont take the vaccine this will snowball throughout society. This is why i said we will still have lockdowns at the end of next year and it will be a long time before we are back to the football
Source for your claims or are you wumming ?
 
I have just done an antibody test and it was positive but very low numbers , about 8 1/2months since i got it so they have near!y gone , dead right i want a vaccine !
A new antibidy test that also measures T-cell immunity will be with us by the start of December so don't worry too much.
 
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