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It’s a depressing read on this thread at times, me and my Maud have behaved pretty much as we have been told to do since the start, she’s still working from home and I am lucky enough to visit customers although the extremes of measures put in place make me laugh, one place will have you masked and gloved up another not giving a fuck a part from obligatory Covid health questionnaire. Some places make me wear a mask and don’t themselves which shows a complete lack of respect.

Now the issue for us is the wife wants to see her sister in Dieppe and has not seen her for two years almost, we are prepared to have a test before and do the quarantine on return now we hear that Police are pulling up and refusing travel at the tunnel, this where we feel our civil liberties are being eroded to the point where we are seriously questioning whether anything is worth a fuck anymore.

And it’s not about Christmas dinner just two sisters wanting to see each other.
 
03 March 2002 said:
They are an individual choice, businesses have decided to follow the guidance and so if you choose not to, you simply can't enter their place of business. The same way you wouldn't be allowed in waving a sword around.

There are plenty of alternative options to get what you need in terms of basic survival. Anything else you're not entitled to.
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Apologies , here in Victoria they are mandatory and have been for many months now and if you are stopped by a police officer and you don't have a medical certificate on you at the time you incur a fine.

I noticed that the Governor of California recommended that the only time you should not be wearing one is when you are eating and you should place it back on fitted properly while chewing and he was serious.

He has no idea of what damage that can do to many with specific health issues relating to breathing issues such as ODS sufferers and it is that illogical and non sensical it must qualify for the Stupid things people say and do thread on this site.

Of course he was filmed in a Non Covid-19 safe dinner party with his wife where no one was wearing a mask.

Do as I say don't do what I do and to think California is the reason pending Electoral Fraud in 3 States and a swing of 67000 votes is the reason a person who won't be able to remember his own name let alone the name of anybody else will be head of State come Jan 20 2021.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
The study seems fine to me.

The reporting in the right wing press, not so much.
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The actual people writing in the Spectator are Prof Heneghan & Tom Jefferson of the Centre for Evidence based Medicine in Oxford. I actually do worry about their objectivity as Evidence based medicine advocates over Covid . A better summary of the study is that the evidence remains inconclusive as the actual event rate was low which is whatpretty much any objective reading of that study would say. I have to say the CEBM appear to me to have acted as advocates rather than disspassionate observers of science throughout this.

PS The prime purpose of mask wearing was always stated as source control which is not addressed by this study.
 
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Cheesy said:
Just to clarify, I of course wouldn't wish anyone to die.

It was a badly written post by me.

But I stand by my amended post in which I said that if anyone was to die because of people selfishly gathering at Christmas, then I would rather it be one of those selfish individuals than anyone else.
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I quite agree with you because to put it bluntly given where we are with both the current wave and the vaccines anyone taking a significant risk, which if they all go having family get togethers and going on piss ups they will be doing all because its bloody Xmas then you have to hope they suffer any consequences rather than so elderly or vulnerable person.

This whole fuss about Xmas is absolutely shocking this year, a clear illustration of how absolutely brain dead swathes of the population are. Its one fucking year and lives are at stake.
 
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Cityfan said:
The actual people writing in the Spectator are Prof Heneghan & Tom Jefferson of the Centre for Evidence based Medicine in Oxford. I actually do worry about their objectivity as Evidence based medicine advocates over Covid . A better summary of the study is that the evidence remains inconclusive as the actual event rate was low which is whatpretty much any objective reading of that study would say. I have to say the CEBM appear to me to have acted as advocates rather than disspassionate observers of science throughout this.

PS The prime purpose of mask wearing was always stated as source control which is not addressed by this study.
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Heneghan generally has been remarkably wrong throughout.
 
Cityfan said:
The actual people writing in the Spectator are Prof Heneghan & Tom Jefferson of the Centre for Evicence based Medicine in Oxford. I actually do worry about their objectivity as Evidence based medicine advocates over Covid . A better summary of hte study is that the evidenc remains inconclusive as the actual event rate was low which is how pretty much any objective reading of that study would say. I have to say the CEBM appear to me to have acted as advocates rather than disspassionate observers of science throughout this,
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Epi's and disease control specialists will disagree and have in fact all over the world on best practice and the nature of the virus.

i think protect the elderly and keep the virus out of nursing homes and socially distance and practice good health protocols is the best way to suppress transmission.

Lockdowns especially harsh ones that last more than 14 days are dangerous to the health and well being of the community at large and this has been known for centuries.

Being a Stat's man from my UNI days I and having some knowledge of Poissson Processes ( skewed to allow for non random transmission ) I would suggest at least 400 mill have contracted the disease to date ( allowing for poor recording in many countries including China which is as Dodgy as they come for political reasons ) and 4 million have died with or from the virus to date.

So high transmission spread with a higher than usual number of super spreaders than other Corona Virus's but fortunately for the human race not that lethal.

My estimate on the numbers of actual cases might be significantly lower than the true number because this virus might have a much higher Asymptomatic number than most if not all Covid's in the past few centuries.
 
mancity1 said:
Epi's and disease control specialists will disagree and have in fact all over the world on best practice and the nature of the virus.

i think protect the elderly and keep the virus out of nursing homes and socially distance and practice good health protocols is the best way to suppress transmission.

Lockdowns especially harsh ones that last more than 14 days are dangerous to the health and well being of the community at large and this has been known for centuries.

Being a Stat's man from my UNI days I and having some knowledge of Poissson Processes ( skewed to allow for non random transmission ) I would suggest at least 400 mill have contracted the disease to date ( allowing for poor recording in many countries including China which is as Dodgy as they come for political reasons ) and 4 million have died with or from the virus to date.

So high transmission spread with a higher than usual number of super spreaders than other Corona Virus's but fortunately for the human race not that lethal.

My estimate on the numbers of actual cases might be significantly lower than the true number because this virus might have a much higher Asymptomatic number than most if not all Covid's in the past few centuries.
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That may or may not be true but what has it to do with a mask study?
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Heneghan generally has been remarkably wrong throughout.
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Look he shouldn't be too concerned our Chief Climate Scientist ( in reality a Public Servant in disguise ) said Australia would have now snowfall by 2015 back in 1990 and our dams would be empty due to the green house effect as it was known back then.

he also said our fires would burn more acreage each year and our summers longer and hotter and our winters shorter and warmer when it was called Climate Warming.

Now that it is called Climate Change he predicts that unless we have all our energy generated by renewables , transportation and agriculture at net zero by 2030 the world will end by 2080 as far as human habitation is concerned.

My solution is to give him a gun so that he personally can kill all the Cows and Sheep in Australia on his own but before he does that to point in the other direction and fire just one bullet and see what it hits.
 
Cityfan said:
That may or may not be true but what has it to do with a mask study?
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They often ask Epi's to tell the politicians whether mask's matter.

Here in oz however we rely on Health Ministers whose main claim to fame is that have a doctorate in Union Matters.

I never thought the Strawbs were alive and well and living in Australia in 2020.
 
False negatives or false positives ?
Two of my daughters colleagues recently tested positive. One was absolutely mortified because of her own health issues and the fact she'd brought it into the workplace.
Both had no symptoms. All other members of staff tested negative. With this in mind but still anxious as fuck they book a second test. They travel, are tested negative. Happy days. Winner, winner. Chicken dinner. Back to work you'd think.
A few days later they're contacted (by track and trace) and bollocked for not sticking with the first result. Apparently false positives don't exist and they must complete 14 days self isolating.
Strangely enough the caller had no answer when challenged about the same applying to false negatives.
Both are now set for the antibody test.
Who's your money on?
 
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purplenose said:
I quite agree with you because to put it bluntly given where we are with both the current wave and the vaccines anyone taking a significant risk, which if they all go having family get togethers and going on piss ups they will be doing all because its bloody Xmas then you have to hope they suffer any consequences rather than so elderly or vulnerable person.

This whole fuss about Xmas is absolutely shocking this year, a clear illustration of how absolutely brain dead swathes of the population are. Its one fucking year and lives are at steak.
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Filet?
 
Healdplace said:
Some data on age ranges (not my own - from someone who has calculated it via the NHS).

It notes whether or not pre existing conditions were known for the person who died as reported daily by NHS England with the figures I post.

These are just from those England hospital patients in the 37, 470 deaths with positive Covid tests reported up to today and measured across the whole pandemic.


Just 1664 of those 37, 470 had no known pre existing conditions.

Just 4 of them were under 20 and another 38 were aged 20 - 39.

19. 942 of the 37, 470 deaths were over 80 and did have known pre-existing conditions.

Only 1029 of the 37, 470 deaths were aged under 80 and without known conditions

And only 339 of these were under 60.
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So if we could just get the over 80s vaccinated, what a difference to the numbers it would make.
 
Gaylord du Bois said:
False negatives or false positives ?
Two of my daughters colleagues recently tested positive. One was absolutely mortified because of her own held issues and the fact she'd brought it into the workplace.
Both had no symptoms. All other members of staff tested negative. With this in mind but still anxious as fuck they book a second test. They travel, are tested negative. Happy days. Winner, winner. Chicken dinner. Back to work you'd think.
A few days later they're contacted (by track and trace) and bollocked for not sticking with the first result. Apparently false positives don't exist and they must complete 14 days self isolating.
Strangely enough the caller had no answer when challenged about the same applying to false negatives.
Both are now set for the antibody test.
Who's your money on?
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There are false positives and false negatives , the testing is not full proof.
 
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