COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[roubaixtuesday]

Look he shouldn't be too concerned our Chief Climate Scientist ( in reality a Public Servant in disguise ) said Australia would have now snowfall by 2015 back in 1990 and our dams would be empty due to the green house effect as it was known back then.

he also said our fires would burn more acreage each year and our summers longer and hotter and our winters shorter and warmer when it was called Climate Warming.

Now that it is called Climate Change he predicts that unless we have all our energy generated by renewables , transportation and agriculture at net zero by 2030 the world will end by 2080 as far as human habitation is concerned.

My solution is to give him a gun so that he personally can kill all the Cows and Sheep in Australia on his own but before he does that to point in the other direction and fire just one bullet and see what it hits.

Blimey, not just expert epidemiologist, but climatologist too!

What next, scientologist?

 

[Tommy_Catons_Perm]

Waves will fade once the most susceptible and the most daring who brave the consequences catch and spread. So once you confine this to some degree it will slow. But we are nowhere near the point where enough will have had it to make this in effect kill the wave. It can suppress it. And minimise it. But if we emerge too early from the measures doing that and go out into the sunlight it will still be there ready to start over on the ones it missed.

I am presuming these things usually have 2 or 3 waves over the course of a couple of years in each region they spread to as they then reach a peak infection point where more have had it with some residual immunity each time and it becomes harder and harder to catch light and easier and easier to put out before the fire rages.

That is without things like a vaccine breaking the chain as was not there even in the 1918/1919 pandemic. But it fizzled out eventually after the third weakest wave. Though it was likely still 'out there' like many things are - just no longer a real threat to change the world over.

Not an expert or a scientist so I may have this entirely wrong but viruses do naturally become less virulent it would seem the more and more they spread. It just seems common sense this is part of why.

But I expect there is a lot more to it than this simplistic post infers.

This sounds right based on scientific explanations that I have read about. Two things happen so that infection rates do not rise exponentially indefinitely. 1. The population susceptible to infection reduces as more people recover and become immune. 2. People who have the infection can only transmit it for a fixed amount of time, until they recover.

 

[BlueTG]

Good point, wonder which gyms were still open! Should put to bed the argument about closing schools at least. Schools are more important than supermarkets, anyone can get food delivered once a week or even go to their local shop. Kids need to be in school more than people need supermarkets.

The government should work on staffing and funding them properly in light of the rising numbers if this is the case.

Supermarkets have been the biggest fucking winner in this whole sorry shit show.

 

[hammocity]

Shut them all! Not been in one for months always dirty at the best of times

Very true, my mate used to work on refits at Tesco's many years ago. He never bought anything from the Deli after he had seen the shite that accumulated in the fridge recesses.

 

[ultimateharold]

Keep lockdown for me. Deny the once a year Christmas night outers.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Shut them all! Not been in one for months always dirty at the best of times

That will end well, why don't we all do simple, helpful things like wear our fucking masks and get this pandemic done sooner with lower cases by doing a very simple thing that makes no difference to anyone.

 

[somapop]

Apols if posted...made me chuckle

 

[ctwrd]

That will end well, why don't we all do simple, helpful things like wear our fucking masks and get this pandemic done sooner with lower cases by doing a very simple thing that makes no difference to anyone.

It’s incorrect that the pandemic does not last as long if we wear masks etc...

you can argue it controls the spread but not the length of time it is with us

 

[ctwrd]

Supermarkets are the most common place in England to contract coronavirus, new data has indicated.

Public Health England (PHE) retraced the steps and analysed the contacts of the 128,808 people using the NHS Test and Trace app to find where transmission is more likely to happen.

All had tested positive for Covid-19 between November 9 and November 15, Sky News reports.

Of course what this actually shows is that 1 in 5 of those people visited a supermarket in the week before.

I bet that at least 1 in 5 people in the country if not much more visit a supermarket once a week.

 

[buckshot]

Watching CNN, they still spend half their time pleading with people to wear masks and trying to convince them that Covid is a real thing.

Also, we should be setting a new record for new cases today and should also see 2,000+ deaths.

 

[cleavers]

Supermarkets are the most common place in England to contract coronavirus, new data has indicated.

Public Health England (PHE) retraced the steps and analysed the contacts of the 128,808 people using the NHS Test and Trace app to find where transmission is more likely to happen.

All had tested positive for Covid-19 between November 9 and November 15, Sky News reports.

I've been in at least one supermarket every week since March, so while they may have tracked 128,808 in a week, it doesn't prove any of them caught it in a supermarket, unless we know who else they met, and where, and how many kids they have, and how many schools they attend, or how many people have been in their home, or how many other homes they have visited, there is literally no way to track that.

People visit supermarkets is all it proves, I've changed mine because I wasn't happy with the one I normally used, and I feel comfortable using the new one, it's no guarantee obviously, but I take enough enough of my own own precautions that I feel comfortable enough.

 

[francisbaud]

[...]
Not an expert or a scientist so I may have this entirely wrong but viruses do naturally become less virulent it would seem the more and more they spread. It just seems common sense this is part of why.

In the case of the Spanish Flu if I recall correctly, the second wave had been more virulent and deadly than the first one. "Historians now believe that the fatal severity of the Spanish flu’s “second wave” was caused by a mutated virus spread by wartime troop movements." https://www.history.com/news/spanish-flu-second-wave-resurgence

 

[hilts]

Just catching up with lockdown 1.0 that was on earlier. I was of the opinion that the govt probably weren't listening enough to the scientists or were taking best case scenarios.

Unfortunately that wasn't the case the scientists themselves mainly fucked it up from Feb to the lockdown in March.

Very worrying let's hope lessons have been learnt 10s of thousands needlessly died thru lack of common sense.

 

[birchwoodgingerste]

GM scoreboard:

Manchester 165 - down big from 259 to its lowest numbers since mid September. And first sub 200 since then. Total cases 29, 204. Weekly 4803. Pop score up by 29 to 5282. Lowest rise by Manchester in months. Weekly Pop down 51 to 868. Big falls will happen because of that student re-allocation of over 3000 in one go to Manchester.

Rochdale 158 - up from 156. Total cases 11, 609. Weekly 1052. Pop score up 71 to 5220. Weekly Pop down 48 to 473.

Oldham 129 - down from 162. A very long time since 129 was the third highest in GM. Total cases 13. 727. Weekly 1146. Pop score up 54 to 5789. Weekly Pop down 76 to 483. Huge drop as Oldham's Pop score rose hugely last week when it was having over 300 cases in the top 3 or 4 worst in UK. Big change.

Wigan 119 - down from 198. Lowest from Wigan since mid September too. Total cases 15, 260. Weekly 1193. Pop score up 33 to 4643. Weekly Pop down 65 to 363.

Bolton 118 - down from 158. Total cases 13, 961. Weekly 1024. Pop score up 41 to 4855. Weekly Pop down 37 to 356.

Salford 111 - down from 143. Total cases 12, 633. Weekly 1434. Pop score up 43 to 4881. Weekly Pop down 63 to 554.

Stockport 107 - up from 97. Worst increase in GM today. Not often you get to say that about Stockport! Total cases 9764. Weekly 674. Pop score up 36 to 3327. Nowhere near best today. Even Manchester beat it! Weekly Pop down 33 to 229.

Tameside 96 - down from 127. Total cases 9778. Weekly 882. Pop score up 42 to 4317. (In case you are puzzled - lower cases added than Stockport - larger Pop score rise - Stockport is much bigger than Tameside so 107 there is better than 96 here related to Pop(ulation). Weekly Pop down 41 to 389. Again - Weekly Pop falls more than Stockport as it measures the change over the week and Tameside has fallen further in those 7 days.

Bury 91 - down from 130. Total cases 8994. Weekly 663. Second best total in GM after soring big two or three weeks ago. Pop score up 47 to 4709. Again may seem a lot given the numbers but small borough population size. Weekly Pop down 60 to 347. But again big drop here because it is having much lower cases than last week.

Trafford 56 - down from 78 and 5th straight number under 100 for GMs best in show. Mid Sep since anywhere was this low in GM. Total cases 8223. Weekly 355. Long time since any borough was here too. Easily the lowest in GM. Pop score 23 to 3464. Lowest GM pop score rise in over 2 months. At 3464 now just 137 behind Stockport for overall lead - a gap narrowing by chunks daily. Good chance it will get there in a week or two unless Stockport falls further too. Weekly Pop down 53 to 149. Lowest anyone in GM has been since early/mid September. And 80 ahead of Stockport here.

Someone needs to investigate the reasons why Trafford has been the top performer in GM over this second wave. It was not in wave 1. So we could maybe learn a lot from figuring out why.

Any theories?

A lot possibly have already had it
So have antibodies.

 

[birchwoodgingerste]

There are false positives and false negatives , the testing is not full proof.

Exactly why cant people see this.

 

[idahoblues]

 

[WNRH]

Just to clarify, I of course wouldn't wish anyone to die.

It was a badly written post by me.

But I stand by my amended post in which I said that if anyone was to die because of people selfishly gathering at Christmas, then I would rather it be one of those selfish individuals than anyone else.

*Post(s)

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Exactly why cant people see this.

Did you bother to read the post ?

 

[grunge]

You do know that Flu cases have NEVER gone up over Christmas?
What makes you think Covid-19 will be any different.
Close schools two weeks beforehand and it will all be fine.

You need to back that up with some links.

there are reporting blips over the period due to the number of bank holidays, there is always a dip and a spike which could be hiding the increases you say never happen.

Weekly U.S. Influenza Surveillance Report

Learn more about the weekly influenza surveillance report (FluView) prepared by the Influenza Division.

www.cdc.gov

incidentally there are even websites and scientific papers dedicated to "why do I always get sick over Christmas".

How I got over the Christmas flu - PMC

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Why do people get ill over Christmas? - FluCamp

Explore why people tend to get sick during the holiday season and how to stay healthy amidst festivities.

flucamp.com

 

[Fred_Quimby]

At present, we will not be visiting our children/grandchildren over Christmas. It will not kill us to miss this for once but it may kill us if we do.