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bluethrunthru said:
So the pressure is now on Johnson - Bill Cash is a wankstain BTW.



Whilst Darren Grimes cosplays his wank fantasy

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What a fucking idiot Cash is. Most important moment in our history for 250 years! It’s not even in the top 50.

As for mentioning Thatcher, does the idiot not realise she signed the Single European Act in 1986 which was the foundation for the Single Market. What a fucking dimwit.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
our Governments messaging is the reason you think the Labour manifesto breached state aid rules.

We couldn't bail out British Steel because of state aid? but they sure found a way of renationalising the East Coast Line didn't they?

State aid is allowed under Eu rules when it allows for Economic Development ... which is why the Dutch Government are heavily involved in their rail Network as is ours when it comes to HS2. its also why the Italians could bail out their steel industry .

Tories tell you that they cant bail out an industry because thats their excuse for selling / privatising it.
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FFS - keep it quiet will you

I have spent the last 20 years being paid by HMT for advising government departments on how to manage large programmes in line with EU procurement rules - including State Aid provisions.

They might want the money back if they find out that the UK never really had to jump through hoops to avoid breeching state aid regulations

When you say 'our governments' - did you just mean the current Conservative one? - I ask because you normally only post your hatred of them

But - thankfully - Labour are just as ignorant - they were in power when I was recruited and for the first 10 years

The public and the media have been totally taken in by this deceitful messaging - as shown by how they responded here:

Brexit: Public backs Jeremy Corbyn’s plan to abandon EU state aid rules, poll shows | The Independent | The Independent

Oh and it seems Corbyn was also badly advised:

Corbyn reignites Labour debate over EU rules on state aid and socialist manifesto | Jeremy Corbyn | The GuardianCorbyn reignites Labour debate over EU rules on state aid and socialist manifesto | Jeremy Corbyn | The Guardian

But - as I say - please keep it quiet - I sometimes think that the government - Labour and Conservative ones - have people monitoring this thread to get expert advice as they develop policy

Edit: You have made me start to worry in other areas - what are the real facts regarding governing disallowance under the EU's CAP regime? That could be another area that the various governments of the UK have spent a lot of money because they wrongly thought that they needed to comply with EU regulations. The SG may have just wasted a load of money because of their ignorance?
 
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hilts said:
And 4 years of remainer moaning and trying to reverse the decision helped how? Some remainers should remember how the buffoon managed to get in power. They and the EU might like to reflect on how the referendum actually happened and how they lost it.

It’s the problem with remainers they ain’t half as clever as they think they are or as democratic as they should be.
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Oh it’s the remainders fault. What bastards to land us in the soup like this.
 
Ok. I watched Prime Time and Tonight Show on Irish channels earlier and here’s a brief synopsis of the Irish view on what is and may happen.

Coveney was on thrilled that the NI protocol is secured but not so certain of what will happen with Boris tomorrow.
Blunt on a phone in believes a deal of some sort will be fine.

Ben Habib on a call on the Matt Cooper panel was a hoot as he basically tore strips off the UK government and Boris in particular and believes what he will come back with will be a further sellout on their manifesto promises.

He more or less stated that Boris and crew either didn’t read or didn’t understand if the EU position and documentation provided as they have been clear and consistent from the start.
And he’s a major Brexit supporter.

We had an independent TD and haulier business expert saying that we have already started to plan for bypassing Britain and the land bridge to Europe. We will have difficulties at the start but we should have more plans to expand our roro capacity directly to mainland Europe and will have opportunities to open new export markets to replace trade with Britain in which we currently run a deficit.

We finished with an economist saying if there is no deal we will see price increases in around the €1400 per household for groceries and for Britain it would probably mean circa 5% inflation on the same bill.
He did also mention we had opened up new beef markets to China so replacing British markets may be the way to go.

So a mixed bag there.
Regarding a deal I’d say it’s a 50/50 probability according to Irish government.

What do any of them know though?

What will be will be.
 
"Never been more vital that we get these free trade arrangements" - but sovereignty comes first.

I don't even know who he is (on Newsnight) but he's a Brexiteer (still expecting the German, French and Italian exporters to force a deal). (Edit: John Caudwell, founder of Phones 4U, billionaire, supporter of charities and donor of half a million pounds to the Tories' 2019 GE campaign)
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
The man is a fool - Malta are actually much more powerful and influential per head of population in the EU than the UK.There is one MEP for every 880,000 British voters, compared to one for every 70,900 Maltese. The EU average is one MEP for 486,000 voters.
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What an irrelevant statistic.
We had 73 MEPs to Malta’s 6.
The per head figure means absolutely fuck all when it comes a country’s influence, but then even you must know that.
 
Vic said:
"Never been more vital that we get these free trade arrangements" - but sovereignty comes first.

I don't even know who he is (on Newsnight) but he's a Brexiteer (still expecting the German, French and Italian exporters to force a deal). (Edit: John Caudwell, founder of Phones 4U, billionaire, supporter of charities and donor of half a million pounds to the Tories' 2019 GE campaign)
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Really? Fuck. That horse died years ago. Why the fuck are Newsnight putting tossers on whose argument hasn’t advanced beyond 2016?

Honestly, we are drowning in a sea of stupidity as a country.
 
hilts said:
And 4 years of remainer moaning and trying to reverse the decision helped how? Some remainers should remember how the buffoon managed to get in power. They and the EU might like to reflect on how the referendum actually happened and how they lost it.

It’s the problem with remainers they ain’t half as clever as they think they are or as democratic as they should be.
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It's like we were searching for a vaccine to innoculate against the Brexit virus. We failed, so the virus will run through the body politic and the economy for decades. But (arguably) it was worth the shot. Unfortunately, we never got to the trial stage with a second referendum. You can give up trying to blame Remainers. Own your own mess.
 
Vic said:
It's like we were searching for a vaccine to innoculate against the Brexit virus. We failed, so the virus will run through the body politic and the economy for decades. But (arguably) it was worth the shot. Unfortunately, we never got to the trial stage with a second referendum. You can give up trying to blame Remainers. Own your own mess.
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It always seems strange when I hear people who will I assume all be living in the same country post brexit telling each other that they 'own' brexit. Unless Boris comes back with a two tier deal which is better for remain voters or arranges for them to get some sort of discount card for shopping everyone resident in the UK will own brexit.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Yes, but the trend was clearly showing that the more and more votes the UK voted against were increasing in number.



The EU was heading in a direction that the UK opposed and we found ourselves increasingly on the sidelines. European nations wanted these changes, the UK didn't and we found ourselves isolated through no fault of our own. Something we once agreed with and were happy to be a part of was quickly becoming something we didn't, the Lisbon Treaty being the first red flag.

It was clear that the Europe they wanted was different to the Europe we wanted to to continue to be a part of, if it meant accepting these new regulations, and we reached our breaking point. As someone who champions the reasons for Scottish separation, I find it puzzling you cannot see the comparisons between frustration between Westminster and Brussels.

We get to vote for our OWN MEP's but have no approval over who the German people/French people etc might elect, and generally speaking they are anti-sovereign in their mindset (in that they oppose the continuation of sovereign nations and wish for Europe to become Federal) This was no longer a secret either, now they were discussing this notion openly in the EuroParl.

How does it feel voting for SNP across the board in Scotland, only to discover that they have a small voice in a wider UK Parliament, where the Government in power does not contain a single representative that you chose to authorise decisions that could negatively impact your livelihood and make decisions you legitimately oppose? Some empathy there, surely?
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Really well said - great post
 
BBC reporting..

‘Honda has confirmed production at its plant in Swindon could be disrupted as soon as tomorrow, due to congestion at ports causing a possible shortage of parts. Reflects how serious problems at Felixtowe, London Gateway and Southampton are becoming.’

PPE, Brexit stockpiling and Xmas the issues. Supply chains being hit with delays.
 
BobKowalski said:
BBC reporting..

‘Honda has confirmed production at its plant in Swindon could be disrupted as soon as tomorrow, due to congestion at ports causing a possible shortage of parts. Reflects how serious problems at Felixtowe, London Gateway and Southampton are becoming.’

PPE, Brexit stockpiling and Xmas the issues. Supply chains being hit with delays.
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I honestly thought they'd shut the Swindon plant last year because of brexit? - great news if it's still going.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
You’ve little to complain about.

When you consider the Home Rule Bill passed in 1912 took until 1922 to actually get an Irish parliament.

Admittedly the arming of the unionists by Carson refusing the democratic will of the country, The Curragh incident where British army captains refused to take action against Ulster Loyalists, the consequential arming of the nationalist choosing to protect themselves, the gun running by both sides but particularly a blind eye being turned by the Westminster parliament to an Ulster armed militia, the 1916 Rising, the 1st world war, the 1918 elections where Sinn Fein won 73 of the 105 seats across all the 32 counties of the country, the declaration of an Irish parliament in Dublin as a result a guerrilla war fought with Britain resulting in the state (Britain) executing civilians (subjects) and their militia auxiliaries (black and tans) ransacking and burning whole towns and most of the City of Cork down,
A truce and treaty being reached between both sides of this war of independence (Scots friends take note, war not referendum)
Britain choosing to partition the country forming an unnatural border along loyalist demographics rather than either grant home rule or recognise the majority of the 1918 election thereby placating Carson and his armed militia.

But we got there. Well we got 26 counties there. Independence.

Oh and then there was the civil war because Churchill threatened Collins that he would put British troops back into the Irish Free State if he didn’t deal with the border county conflicts and atrocities that were happening to both communities by armed militias.
The pro and con treatyites were mainly due to The Irish Free State being a Dominion of the UK and having to pledge an oath of allegiance to the King yet unionists in Ulster got to opt out of a pledge to the Dail in Dublin and drew up partition of the country instead.

Then everything was absolutely rosey as we all know up to the drawing up very carefully of the GFA. Nothing much to report of any consequence in that interim period.

But no your right. People moaning in Britain about a referendum to opt out of a Union is just the pits.

Democracy? What do they or the EU know about it?

What are they like honestly?
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I can honestly say I have never considered anything in 1912 fella, maybe if I had I would have voted differently. Certainly if I knew about Churchill as well then fuck yeah I would have remained in 2016 just out of shame. Fucking Winston.

Anyhow I’m waiting for Swedish blue to start so I can throw the vikings back at him. I will never shop at IKEA until he apologises for their pillaging of Great Yarmouth. They stole our rock and butter wouldn’t melt in his mouth.

:-)
 
Advisor: What are your tactics in Brussels Prime Minister?

Boris: What I always do. Give the filly a bloody good seeing to after promising her everything she wants. Then deny anything happened 9 months later. Never failed for me!
 
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