The Scottish Politics thread

[Ban-jani]

What would that consist of or what would it’s purpose be?
Genuine question. If you are talking of all Ireland and Scotland, why? And what purpose outside of the EU?
If all were within the EU, then why, again?

I don’t see that idea as being anything but a token and utterly meaningless policy.

As you’ve rightly said, if Scotland were to leave the UK and if it then entered the EU, both Ireland and Scotland would be adhering to the FOUR freedoms and would essentially be as close as two separate nations could possibly be anyway, as they would with the rest of the EU.

Now, as I’m typing this, there could be a defence arrangement where they share defence, as, let’s face it, Scotland’s army, navy and Air Force would be pretty nonexistent in the event of them parting company with England. But it seems the EU might go down a combined route anyway.

So yeah, my verdict is that it’s a token idea but pretty meaningless.

 

[Shadz69]

What would that consist of or what would it’s purpose be?
Genuine question. If you are talking of all Ireland and Scotland, why? And what purpose outside of the EU?
If all were within the EU, then why, again?

I honestly don't know just something I heard years ago.

 

[Saddleworth2]

I posted earlier this year that the greatest threat to the SNP, was the SNP and I see in-fighting has broken out following the NEC elections last week. Looks like as well as Covid, Nicola will need to deal with the ghost of Salmon, increased influence by a left wing faction and a group critical of the parties policy on gender recognition. Although the Guardian article is a little overblown it does report the main points.

At the heart of this are two things: a genuine concern that Sturgeon doesn't have a plan B when Johnson inevitably turns down indyref 2. And then Salmon who's personal ego and arrogance know no bounds imo. If he returns to front line politics in any meaningful way he will be an independence vote loser.

Just when that party needs to be as unified as possible to attract the Scottish centre vote they start doing a passable impression of the Labour party.

Sturgeon faces growing SNP rebellion over leadership style

Revolt criticising policies on independence, economy and transgender rights could also see Alex Salmond return to party

www.theguardian.com

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I honestly don't know just something I heard years ago.

I think you’re right. It rings a bell with me too. I just don’t know what the value of it would be or what it would typically consist of.

It’s hard to see the value of an internal comprehensive trade deal within existing EU rules.

 

[Fame Monster]

 

[ganganvince]

Nicola Sturgeon warns Prince Charles and Camilla they're not welcome

EDEN CONFIDENTIAL: Nicola Sturgeon has told Prince Charles and Camilla they are 'not welcome' in Scotland. They have cancelled plans to spend Christmas at Balmoral Castle.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Saddleworth2]

Hmmm might have been more effective and convincing if it hadn't cut off her response completely. A microcosm of the relationship Scotland has with the UK.

 

[west didsblue]

Nicola Sturgeon warns Prince Charles and Camilla they're not welcome

EDEN CONFIDENTIAL: Nicola Sturgeon has told Prince Charles and Camilla they are 'not welcome' in Scotland. They have cancelled plans to spend Christmas at Balmoral Castle.

www.dailymail.co.uk

In other words she’s reminding them that they need to abide by the same travel restrictions as everyone else but it’s the Mail.

 

[Saddleworth2]

In other words she’s reminding them that they need to abide by the same travel restrictions as everyone else but it’s the Mail.

Cmon, Royals don’t need to follow the rules (unless they are taking legal action against the mail, in which case they most certainly do).

 

[ganganvince]

In other words she’s reminding them that they need to abide by the same travel restrictions as everyone else but it’s the Mail.

And her reason for making it public? Ah its Sturgeon.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

And her reason for making it public? Ah its Sturgeon.

She’s just finished season 4 of The Crown.
So have I. I don’t blame her. The brazen hussies.

 

[ganganvince]

EU membership for an independent Scotland not as easy as SNP portray.

Brexit news: Macron could scupper Scotland’s chances of rejoining EU

FRANCE and Spain could be two barriers scuppering Scotland rejoining the EU, a think tank has suggested.

www.express.co.uk

 

[west didsblue]

EU membership for an independent Scotland not as easy as SNP portray.

Brexit news: Macron could scupper Scotland’s chances of rejoining EU

FRANCE and Spain could be two barriers scuppering Scotland rejoining the EU, a think tank has suggested.

www.express.co.uk

You should probably read the report that the Express is referring to. The main thrust is totally the opposite of the Express article which cherry picks one or two minor points. The headline is pure fiction though.

No real surprise though. The Express is well known for being a work of fiction.

 

[ganganvince]

You should probably read the report that the Express is referring to. The main thrust is totally the opposite of the Express article which cherry picks one or two minor points. The headline is pure fiction though.

No real surprise though. The Express is well known for being a work of fiction.

You mean this one

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www.scer.scot

 

[west didsblue]

You mean this one

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Yes that one. First of all that is nothing to do with Macron. Secondly that relates to a disorganised UK break up rather than one that would follow due process. Just by posting it in a massive font doesn't make it occupy more than the actual 1% of the overall article, where the main thrust was that Scotland probably wouldn't have too much trouble getting EU accession.

 

[ganganvince]

Yes that one. First of all that is nothing to do with Macron. Secondly that relates to a disorganised UK break up rather than one that would follow due process. Just by posting it in a massive font doesn't make it occupy more than the actual 1% of the overall article, where the main thrust was that Scotland probably wouldn't have too much trouble getting EU accession.

I don't choose the font it pastes either thumb nail or full size. It emphasises the if Nicky holds a referendum without UK permission Spain would veto.

 

[west didsblue]

I don't choose the font it pastes either thumb nail or full size. It emphasises the if Nicky holds a referendum without UK permission Spain would veto.

The Express doesn't talk about a disorganised break up with Scotland going it alone without UK permission. The reality is that Scotland would be very unlikely to unilaterally do it for this very reason, and the UK government will try and use it as a barrier to Scotland seeking independence. However, longer term if it becomes very clear that the Scottish people want it, it would be politically unacceptable for Westminster to stand in their way forever.

Also, and this is just my opinion, if Westminster were to stand in Scotland's way and effectively hold Scotland to ransom against the wishes of its population, the EU would look at that differently than the Catalonia issue due to the fact Spain is an EU member and the UK is not. The EU would support the Madrid government in ways that they wouldn't support Westminster in that situation.

 

[Fame Monster]

I think Johnson will lead the Tories into the next election and win it, and there's no way he'll offer another referendum. I think the 2030s is likely to be the next time a referendum is held tbh. Not quite 'once in a generation' but probably disappointing for many Scottish nationalists.

 

[ganganvince]

I think Johnson will lead the Tories into the next election and win it, and there's no way he'll offer another referendum. I think the 2030s is likely to be the next time a referendum is held tbh. Not quite 'once in a generation' but probably disappointing for many Scottish nationalists.

Think Boris will walk in summer having "beaten covid" and "delivered Brexit" although agree on 2030's for next referendum hopefully all will be good by then.

 

[west didsblue]

I think Johnson will lead the Tories into the next election and win it, and there's no way he'll offer another referendum. I think the 2030s is likely to be the next time a referendum is held tbh. Not quite 'once in a generation' but probably disappointing for many Scottish nationalists.

You might be right but it will all depend on how Brexit affects Scotland in the medium term.