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Pointing to sharp rises in areas such as Kent and London, the prime minister said now is a "moment for us to exercise extreme caution".

Boris Johnson has confirmed the Christmas laws will remain the same but has warned that rules allowing three households to meet over the festive period are a "maximum, not a target".

He admitted the current situation the country finds itself in is "more challenging than when we first set the rules".

Although he said it would "not be right to criminalise people", he urged the public to "think hard and in detail about the days ahead and whether you can do more" to keep loved ones safe.

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kaz7 said:
In hospitals probably not but i cant see how that is going to work in surgeries , it is a standard fifteen mins not just for this vaccination but for various things
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Don't about anywhere else but where I live the flu vaccines weren't done in surgeries this year, they were done in community centres and large halls.As far as I know the intention is to use the same venues for covid.
 
blueparrot said:
Don't about anywhere else but where I live the flu vaccines weren't done in surgeries this year, they were done in community centres and large halls.As far as I know the intention is to use the same venues for covid.
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I had mine at the surgery , i think they coped fine but we were straight out of the door after, be interesting how it works outside of hospitals
 
kaz7 said:
Be interesting to see how surgeries cope , if they stick tothe fifteen mins it is going to take years to do everyone
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You will see vaccination centres popping up were they can maximise throughput
 
blueparrot said:
That those that actually live in Scotland pretty much overwhelmingly reject Boris and the tories,and labour for that matter in favour of Sturgeon,and that rejection will incease in the spring election, so the fact that mainly english tories hate her means little,except she must be doing something right after a decade in power to still be able to increase vote share.
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Well if you end up leaving the UK we won't have to subsidise you any more.
 
worsleyweb said:
Well unless i am thick - that is wrong?

1 week 138k - 7.176 million a year - say we need to do 60 million? - That's 8.37 years.

We will get up to half a million a week i would imagine at some point.
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This is why we've ordered a mixture of vaccines, some don't require multiple doses and some don't require cold storage so rates will ramp up as others become available.

This initial phase will be the slowest as it takes place in hospital settings or areas like care homes where vulnerable people are. It will change with other vaccines which might be administered in GP surgeries or pharmacies.

It will get tighter as supply drops, particularly as now the US has approved the Pfizer vaccine.
 
mosssideblue said:
I raised this as I thought each person injected with the Covid vaccine had to wait 15 mins before being allowed to leave the premises.

If this isn't relaxed, there will be clearly an issue with the rate at which vaccinations can take place.
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Not if they use big venues with waiting areas. Also couldn't people be told to wait in a car park in their cars for 15 minutes with some body on the gate just asking as they leave if they have had any reaction. I'm sure something will be organised to prevent log jams.
 
mosssideblue said:
I raised this as I thought each person injected with the Covid vaccine had to wait 15 mins before being allowed to leave the premises.

If this isn't relaxed, there will be clearly an issue with the rate at which vaccinations can take place.
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Yes you are correct and as this is a new vaccine don't see this being relaxed for a while yet anywhere but that observation does not need to be done by the person carrying out the injection for example if a lower league football club was used as a vaccination centre 3 nurses could jab in treatment and physio rooms and observation could take place in social club with a 2 - 3 min throughput there would only be circa 20 being observed.
 
blueparrot said:
Not if they use big venues with waiting areas. Also couldn't people be told to wait in a car park in their cars for 15 minutes with some body on the gate just asking as they leave if they have had any reaction. I'm sure something will be organised to prevent log jams.
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Im not sure what the observation period was for and how vigorous it needs to be.
 
worsleyweb said:
Fair enough but its not a bad start in the first week, pace will clearly pick up once we have the Oxford one. Once we have done all the over 50s it doesn't really matter anyway as few if any will then die of it. If i has to hazard a guess 15% to 30% of the country have already had it - so between 9 and 18 million. Get the most vulnerable vaccinated by spring and we are out of this largely.
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I would suggest you're being too optimistic at this stage, firstly Whitty says they've started slowly in case things happen they weren't expecting (side effects I assume), and they will need quite a lot of data to accelerate it, also we only have access to a limited supply of 1 vaccine currently, others are on the way, but there's no dates yet for release. We also don't know, and won't for sometime, how long the vaccine(s) are effective for, hopefully it's long, but we won't know until someone vaccinated catches it again, and gets seriously from it.
 
ganganvince said:
Yes you are correct and as this is a new vaccine don't see this being relaxed for a while yet anywhere but that observation does not need to be done by the person carrying out the injection for example if a lower league football club was used as a vaccination centre 3 nurses could jab in treatment and physio rooms and observation could take place in social club with a 2 - 3 min throughput there would only be circa 20 being observed.
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Im sure they will have thought of this and will have a wotkaround
 
worsleyweb said:
Fair enough but its not a bad start in the first week, pace will clearly pick up once we have the Oxford one. Once we have done all the over 50s it doesn't really matter anyway as few if any will then die of it. If i has to hazard a guess 15% to 30% of the country have already had it - so between 9 and 18 million. Get the most vulnerable vaccinated by spring and we are out of this largely.
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For sure. Can't wait to get back to some form of normality.

I wasn't having a go, just pointing out why your calculation was a factor of 2 out. I can't help myself.
 
blueparrot said:
Not if they use big venues with waiting areas. Also couldn't people be told to wait in a car park in their cars for 15 minutes with some body on the gate just asking as they leave if they have had any reaction. I'm sure something will be organised to prevent log jams.
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Just like at blood doning. After donating you sit for 10 mins with a biscuit and a brew and someone hovers about. It could be anyone as long as they can access a medic if needed.
 
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