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west didsblue said:
No surprise it’s the Express with this complete nonsense. Do they explain the difference between Big Ben bonging for Brexit and it just bonging anyway. Are they projecting a picture of Farage on two of the faces and Johnson on the other two, with them both being two faced cunts.
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Isn’t it under repair for the foreseeable and therefore couldn’t bong even if some bong head wanted to bong it for Brexit, even though it would bong at New Year anyway?
 
Ban-jani said:
Isn’t it under repair for the foreseeable and therefore couldn’t bong even if some bong head wanted to bong it for Brexit, even though it would bong at New Year anyway?
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Now you mention it I think you’re right but I think they’ve been getting it going every so often for special occasions like midnight on NYE.
 
Text from a lass who is a Unite rep at NISSAN Washington. They are being called in tomorrow morning for a briefing regardless of what shift they are on.
 
Gosh, I'm glad I missed the crap on here today. Still...

Rascal said:
...We need no deal so we can take back those foreign owned parts of the public sector and put them back into public ownership that benefits the people of the UK , not shareholders in EU based corporations. ...
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You always could. Just stop new franchises. And the EU based companies running our railways are nationalised.
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hilts said:
I think easy and convenient sums up a lot of remainers. In fact a lot of the human race.

Sympathy, none I have:-)
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That explains a lot. Brexiteers like things hard and inconvenient.

Wasn't it a Leaver moan that Remainers had no empathy?

journolud said:
Genuine question to you and bearing in mind the reason you voted leave were not economic, do you expect to be better or worse off financially due to Brexit, to have more or less job security or no difference. Accepting as well that COVID has thrown a massive curveball into the equation.

For what it’s worth I don’t think it’s correct to call those who can afford a holiday abroad, should they wish to have one, the privileged class. Maybe those with a second home abroad would fall easier into that category but it’s all relative
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Today, he's been drawing a discreet veil over his privileges (only working when he chooses, 2nd home in Cyprus, residence permit so he avoids the new 90 day rule).
 
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Recently I have found this Brexit topic on the forum and as a non-British (unfortunately) person I would be delighted to know the answer to my question, you all know the situation in UK better than me :P

I am the EU citizen and I would like to work (pubs, cleaning etc.) in the UK for a short period of time next year (summer vacation, 2-3 months) of course if covid stops but that seems impossible... anyway: is it still possible for EU citizen to work in the UK for a short period of time - few months? Or do I have to be an engineer or a surgeon to have a right to work here as a foreigner? I hope you understand what I mean.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Four

unless a deal is one that is essentially free of EU controls/regulations
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I don't think they are capable of such an agreement. 1000 pages of legalese littered with traps and tricks. Better to start from Jan 1 and endure the avocado famine for a few weeks.

On another subject the EU have released the fishing quota for 2021. I think they've realised there's none left.


 
blueparrot said:
It’s a great point away fro the big arguments,great ideological debate, it’t easy to laugh and make fun of these new inconveniences, but they all add up. Like you say though where are the counter things to it. What little bits of our life does it make better, easier or a little more convenient, I haven’t seen any yet.
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Catching up I have seen a number of posts asking about the benefits of Brexit

These posters are it seems only able to reflect on relatively small inconveniences

None of these posters seem willing to address the big issues that utterly swamp the trivial issues that they mention.

In a recent excellent post @Rascal mentioned the events in Greece:

".......In January 2015, the radical left party Syriza was elected, with its leader Alexis Tsipras declaring “Greece is leaving behind destructive austerity.” Jean-Claude Juncker, president of the European Commission, responded that “To suggest that everything is going to change because there's a new government in Athens is to mistake dreams for reality… There can be no democratic choice against the European treaties.”
The economic warfare unleashed on Greece by the Troika witnessed living standards slashed, services privatised and workers' rights dismantled as part of what the Jubilee Debt Campaign has called “The Never-Ending Austerity Story”. That is the EU that exists, it is neo-liberal to its core and it is anti democrat as Juncker declares......"

Yet no Remain posters came back on that. There are many benefits from being free to act to support UK businesses directly and free from the controls of the EU, as just one example - the management of Post-Covid recovery will possibly be much more robust if we are able to invest in UK priorities without the constraints EU that membership enforces.

Some days ago, a few of us were discussing the impact of EU policies towards debt mutualisation and the implications that would have for the UK, this post by @Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese Swiss Cheese as an example:
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Basically EU borrows huge sum and repackages debt into smaller parcels to 'help' EU nations post covid. These parcels have some pretty serious strings attached which essentially dictate future domestic budgets and turn half the continent into Greece circa 2010. Rather than seeking to help beleaguered member states, the EU are seeking to take advantage of the post covid wreckage to leverage the situation into a power grab. Shrewd move to head off disintegration of the project by tying nations to long term debt (membership). Maybe I'm wrong, and they are just seeking to act as credit worthy honest brokers of cheap borrowing?! - Always try to keep an open mind on these things :-)
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yet only one Remain poster made even an attempt to consider the impact of that major issue on the UK. An issue so large it would mean that the UK being (increasingly) free of the risk from would be benefit enough of itself to swamp all the trivial inconveniences

There must be a reason why the vast majority of Remainers avoid such fundamental flaws in the EU construct and the limitations it places on the UK and the major risks it locks the UK into

My own summary is that Remainers only seem willing to limit their assessments to the convenient and comfortable experiences of the recent past - whereas Leavers are looking to the future and the icebergs ahead that need to be avoided
 
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mcfc1632 said:
An issues so large the UK being (increasingly) free of the risk from would be benefit enough of itself to swamp all the trivial inconveniences
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Wiki has a shot at quantifying these trivial inconveniences:

There is overwhelming or near-unanimous agreement among economists that leaving the European Union will adversely affect the British economy in the medium- and long-term.[a][39] Surveys of economists in 2016 showed overwhelming agreement that Brexit would likely reduce the UK's real per-capita income level.[40][30][31] 2019 and 2017 surveys of existing academic research found that the credible estimates ranged between GDP losses of 1.2–4.5% for the UK,[39] and a cost of between 1–10% of the UK's income per capita.[25] These estimates differ depending on whether the UK does a Hard or Soft Brexit.[25] In January 2018, the UK government's own Brexit analysis was leaked; it showed that UK economic growth would be stunted by 2–8% for at least 15 years following Brexit, depending on the leave scenario.[41][42]

According to most economists, EU membership has a strong positive effect on trade and, as a result, the UK's trade would be worse off if it left the EU.[43][44][45][46] According to a study by University of Cambridge economists, under a hard Brexit, whereby the UK reverts to WTO rules, one-third of UK exports to the EU would be tariff-free, one-quarter would face high trade barriers and other exports risk tariffs in the range of 1–10%.[47] A 2017 study found that "almost all UK regions are systematically more vulnerable to Brexit than regions in any other country."[48] A 2017 study examining the economic impact of Brexit-induced reductions in migration" found that there would likely be "a significant negative impact on UK GDP per capita (and GDP), with marginal positive impacts on wages in the low-skill service sector."[49][25] It is unclear how changes in trade and foreign investment will interact with immigration, but these changes are likely to be important.[25]
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Yes. Nobody I work with has said they've been on 'holiday' this year, or last, pre-COVID, except for a couple who pooled their wages and went for a week in Iceland.

I'd love to live in your world, pal, I really would. £359 on furlough. Can you survive on that?
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Fuck all so far and been shut down for a total of 5 months this year. You wanna swap?
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
I am loving the whole charade of the usual suspects on political thread that normally shout about the concerns of the downtrodden, underpaid victims of privilege of the UK attacking one of their own for highlighting that they have been underpaid and have lacked the privileges others are using to rub in their faces! XD
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I have several mates on the dole who manage 5 or 6 trips a year.
 
Rascal said:
In January 2015, the radical left party Syriza was elected, with its leader Alexis Tsipras declaring “Greece is leaving behind destructive austerity.” Jean-Claude Juncker, president of the European Commission, responded that “To suggest that everything is going to change because there's a new government in Athens is to mistake dreams for reality… There can be no democratic choice against the European treaties.”
The economic warfare unleashed on Greece by the Troika witnessed living standards slashed, services privatised and workers' rights dismantled as part of what the Jubilee Debt Campaign has called “The Never-Ending Austerity Story”. That is the EU that exists, it is neo-liberal to its core and it is anti democrat as Juncker declares.
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The EU was not the reason for the Greek economic crisis though was it? They were hardly innocent victims in what happened. Those living standard slashes were things like cutting back on pensions that had men retiring at 55 and women at 50. Guaranteed annual pay rises, guaranteed holiday bonus wages, guaranteed christmas bonus wages. Stuff that we all enjoy.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Had you been more respectful in our previous engagements, i'd have no issues answering you.

You haven't been, so no.
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I understand that you have felt offended by some of my interactions with you in the past and for that I apologise. It's far from a one way street on this thread , it has got heated on both sides often enough and I'll own my part in this. I can't help feeling though that you are using this as a bit of a smokescreen to avoid answering the questions.

You have consistently given your reasons for supporting Brexit and I understand them even if I don't agree with them. However, given that main aim of yours will be secured are you willing to say whether you think Brexit will materially improve your working conditions/ wages/ job security or worsen them or not have any impact at all.

Similarly, although you're not the only Brexiteer to do this, (with the possible exception of @mcfc1632 who again consistently makes the case for short term pain for long term gain), instead of relying on banter between yourselves to rubbish the questions, given the number of immediate inconveniences that Brexit will bring about, could you, or anyone, point to some of the quick wins from a material point of view (ie not freedom from the overarching control of the EU which is pretty abstract) in our day to day lives.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Yet no posters came back on that - there are many benefits from being free to act to support UK businesses directly and free from the controls of EU, as just one example - the management of Post-Covid recovery will be much more robust if we are able to invest in UK priorities without the constraints EU membership enforce
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You may believe that Greece would not be in their current predicament if they had either ditched the Euro or pulled out of the EU. Many do not.
 
So, to sum up the last few pages. Brexit will not make life even a tiny bit easier or better, a week in Benidorm is the reserve of the elite, the way Greece was treated means the UK should leave, but not Greece itself, and the EU agreeing a Covid rescue plan for member states mean we should suck up all these ‘trivial inconveniences’.

I’m not convinced that a country that lost its shit over KFC running out of chicken is going to accept a lot of ’trivial inconveniences’ for fuck all in return, but it’s going to be fun finding out.
 
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