COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[ganganvince]

There's a poster in the know on this very thread, and says the delay is because of production issues, so we won't have, at least not right away.

Couple of weeks ago

Supply of Covid vaccine doses held up by manufacturing delays

Oxford/AstraZeneca will rely on European plants for initial supplies after UK supply chain holdup

www.irishtimes.com

 

[kippax4ever]

Other watch areas;

Andyhinch - Cheshire East - not good news sadly. Another record day. Think we know why.

124 cases - up from 101. Five of the last 6 over 100 (and the other was 96). Total cases 10, 560.

Pop score up 32 - more than most places in GM today. And Liverpool. To 2749.

Weekly Pop up from 167 to 188. Big rise and when I started tracking here for Andy it was down just over 100 and mid way between the two best GM boroughs then - Trafford and Stockport with the rest of GM well ahead.

Since them every borough in GM has been overtaken by Cheshire East and it now has a higher weekly Pop than the whole of Greater Manchester.

If ever there was an advert for why these tiers do not work and just export cases from higher tiers to lower tiers as people get around the rules in droves by going for drinks and meals just a few miles away in lower tier locations THIS IS IT.

I am convinced this will be happening all over the UK and the government know it because they used it to justify why they were not taking Tameside out of Tier 3 in Greater Manchester.

But it is utterly pointless doing that to protect Tameside from spiking by tier tourists if you can just go in the opposite direction and spike some other location.

This is not far fetched. It clearly happens.

I totally agree with you on the various tiers
It just encourages people to move about,
Get pissed then maybe pass the virus on to who ever..
With not one thought of the consequences.

 

[cleavers]

The most stupid thing about these current tiers right now, I'm in tier 4, and 4 miles down the road it's tier 2, and this is the case round most of the whole southeast tier 4 area, and the 2 isolated tier 4 areas in Portsmouth and Peterborough.

So a mate of mine lives in a tier 4 area, but his nearest supermarket is in tier 2 is about 4 miles away. He could shop at the same supermarket chain in tier 4 but would need a 30 mile round trip.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

we have a vaccine that has gone to 500k people allready and this will ramp up. Also the last summer had a huge impact. We just need to get through January and February.

Sounds impressive until you realise those 500,000 people still have to go back for their second jab.

Seriously mate, this roll out will still be insufficient numbers by next Winter.

 

[cleavers]

I thought we were told they had made many doses well in advance on expectation of it being approved?

Who trusts anything we are told ? I'm only quoting what the guy (I won't tag him) posted here, and more than once.

 

[cleavers]

They can always leave bad news until after Christmas though. I mean, it's not as if they haven't changed their minds last minute before is it?

They'll probably tag it onto the queens speech.

 

[worsleyweb]

Sounds impressive until you realise those 500,000 people still have to go back for their second jab.

Seriously mate, this roll out will still be insufficient numbers by next Winter.

no chance. Once the over 50s are done very few are dieing of it. We can get through the over 50s by spring.

 

[mackenzie]

They'll probably tag it onto the queens speech.

Lol...possibly ;-)
Or just shove her out of the way. Although I know it's recorded ;-)

 

[ganganvince]

Lol...possibly ;-)
Or just shove her out of the way. Although I know it's recorded ;-)

Can just imagine the shepherd's crook coming in from the side

 

[roubaixtuesday]

But isn’t the point that the outcome that they are looking to achieve is to bring the numbers down not keep them where they are hence the want for greater restrictions.

The point is that current restrictions are expected* to result in prevalence doubling every 6 days. As that would be a catastrophe, tighter restrictions are needed.

The longer we wait to put on those restrictions, the more people will die. Much worse if the reality is at the bad end of what is projected, we may not be able to contain it at all, and vaccination will be overtaken by an out of control virus. In these circumstances, there is no benefit in waiting, and it's very clear urgent action is required.

*it's of course not certain that the early data on the new variant will pan out.

 

[Keith Moncrieff]

Covid test for me in the morning after someone tested positive who was in the shop Friday

 

[artfuldodger]

no chance. Once the over 50s are done very few are dieing of it. We can get through the over 50s by spring.

The over 80s should make a huge dent in numbers dying.

 

[Del_Bosque]

The point is that current restrictions are expected* to result in prevalence doubling every 6 days. As that would be a catastrophe, tighter restrictions are needed.

The longer we wait to put on those restrictions, the more people will die. Much worse if the reality is at the bad end of what is projected, we may not be able to contain it at all, and vaccination will be overtaken by an out of control virus. In these circumstances, there is no benefit in waiting, and it's very clear urgent action is required.

*it's of course not certain that the early data on the new variant will pan out.

Tier 4 has only been in 2 days, plus the schools have closed.

How would any one have an idea of what effect it's going to have on transmission?

It's basically the same as the lockdown in April in Tier 4 at the moment.

There isn't really any further they can do than how it is in the South East at the moment is there?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I can excuse some things early doors but that one was a shocker

It was an outrage. Went there the previous year (and met Jeremy Kyle - very small, nasty man - looks like he hates everyone and everything; including himself)


i‘m struggling to think of a sporting event better designed to disseminate a virus.

 

[ctwrd]

Tier 4 has only been in 2 days, plus the schools have closed.

How would any one have an idea of what effect it's going to have on transmission?

It's basically the same as the lockdown in April in Tier 4 at the moment.

There isn't really any further they can do than how it is in the South East at the moment is there?

He means the rest of the U.K. I assume and in such case rates aren’t doubling every 6 days.

 

[carlosthejackal]

no chance. Once the over 50s are done very few are dieing of it. We can get through the over 50s by spring.

While we might differ on political leanings I like your optimism and believe that the vaccines will make a huge difference and hope and pray this government deliver and come summer we can enjoy a beer .

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Tier 4 has only been in 2 days, plus the schools have closed.

How would any one have an idea of what effect it's going to have on transmission?

It's basically the same as the lockdown in April in Tier 4 at the moment.

There isn't really any further they can do than how it is in the South East at the moment is there?

The point is that this variant has been found nationwide, not just in tier 4 areas.

The govt now expects the virus to get out of control everywhere else too, and rather than act, they're waiting to let it get out of control before acting.

I know this sounds mad, but that's literally what was said at the presser.

Whether tier 4 will be adequate once schools and uni return is another question.

All contingent on this variant actual being as bad as the early data suggests. It may not. In which case increasing restrictions can be reversed, and we'll have saved a few hundred lives.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

He means the rest of the U.K. I assume and in such case rates aren’t doubling every 6 days.

Case rates *for the new variant* are doubling every 6 days. That's why there's been such a reaction to it, and why it makes no sense to let it rip outside of the tier4 area.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

The point is that this variant has been found nationwide, not just in tier 4 areas.

The govt now expects the virus to get out of control everywhere else too, and rather than act, they're waiting to let it get out of control before acting.

I know this sounds mad, but that's literally what was said at the presser.

Whether tier 4 will be adequate once schools and uni return is another question.

All contingent on this variant actual being as bad as the early data suggests. It may not. In which case increasing restrictions can be reversed, and we'll have saved a few hundred lives.

Tier 4 doesn't work for a functioning economy.

If it's no more lethal, then everyone on the list for vaccines in the next 3 months will just have to shield.

 

[johnnytapia]

Xmas with no pubs , restaurants & football on the tele ... WTF

Will be like 99.999% of the Christmases I've had in the past. If folk need the pub, restaurant and football on the TV to enjoy the solemnity of Our Lord's Birth, I'm guessing the art of conversation and familial conviviality isn't uppermost on their agenda.