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I would contest what he introduced, and then all reversed was better than the reign of Blaise Compaore and the state of Burkina Faso.


His refusal of foriegn aid and his call for Africa to shake off it's dependence on the 1st world and colonial past inspired many

I wouldn't be able to comment beyond what you posted. You admitted yourself the fundamental flaw which is somebody being on top, which due to the dearth of democratic protections within the infrastructure leads to the oppression, violence and suffering which characterises such regimes. Not exclusively so, mind.
 
But they have ... despite the odds against them .... look at Cuba

Highest literacy rate in the world.

More doctors per Capita than anywhere else in the world

all the west does is impose more and more sanctions

After Katrina

Offered to send doctors to help .... America refused because ..... Communism

After Haiti ... sent doctors to help

Covid 19 .... sent doctors to help all around the world.

All Trump did was to impose more sanctions.

Socialism doesn't get a chance because the Capitalists are scared of it. (but they're happy to take handouts from the Government)

propped up by huge support and investment by the USSR back in the day.
 
Of course the abandonment of the now deindustrialised areas and decimation of cummunity spirit was the biggest factor.


But delvoling power to the other nations while not to England has left many feeling the English has no voice, which farage, johnson and others have exploited.
To be honest, I think an English parliament is a bit of a misnomer, it played well versus Europe but ultimately if you surveyed those people I think the truth would be closer to "they shouldn't be getting so much money and should do as they're told". The same people you say feel left out would be the first to reject an English parliament if it meant Westminster had less say over the devolved regions.
 
Over 700 extra deaths recorded yesterday.
Yet the Tory press largely ignores it and is obsessed with spinning the Brexit deal and portraying Johnson as some kind of Churchillian character.
Takes you back to last April when about 900 daily deaths had occured but the headlines were all about a good Friday 'cos BoJo was coming out of hospital.
Not to mention the 500 or so deaths recorded on the side of someone's pint on one front page.
The normalisation of the Covid death figures is obscene.
The UK tory press are rock bottom.
 
Trump, Farage, Fox, Johnson et al, all depend on echo chambers that thrive on hatred, fear and an alternative reality where their ‘facts’ are not really facts.

They also circumvent the game by making or living by their own rules, and ignoring the actual rules that apply to everyone else. The con is making people believe otherwise. It’s a successful con until reality finally catches up with them and everyone else wakes up to the fact that they are neck deep in shite.

I was commenting on how those things have led to those people tapping into them, rather than them being a beacon for them, which they aren't. When you take the foundations away, you open the doors to a wide range of unscrupulous forces, that's the danger.
 
Over 700 extra deaths recorded yesterday.
Yet the Tory press largely ignores it and is obsessed with spinning the Brexit deal and portraying Johnson as some kind of Churchillian character.
Takes you back to last April when about 900 daily deaths had occured but the headlines were all about a good Friday 'cos BoJo was coming out of hospital.
Not to mention the 500 or so deaths recorded on the side of someone's pint on one front page.
The normalisation of the Covid death figures is obscene.
The UK tory press are rock bottom.

it is the job of the press to distract and lie on behalf of the Tories and in return they get early and easy access to ministers for quotes, articles etc

And yes its obscene
 
I wouldn't be able to comment beyond what you posted. You admitted yourself the fundamental flaw which is somebody being on top, which due to the dearth of democratic protections within the infrastructure leads to the oppression, violence and suffering which characterises such regimes. Not exclusively so, mind.
You are talking about authoritarian states, Communism should be democratic. There is nothing more Democratic than the public ownership of the means of production, where the public or in the narrow sense the Commune decide on what is to be done. It is a myriad of small democracies working within a larger framework.

The Communism most people associate with is a bastardisation of the true meaning where a single figurehead controls the country, which is authoritarian and leads to dictatorship.

There is also the commonly used theme of Communism killing millions of people, if that were the case then it pales into significance behind the number of deaths caused by capitalism.
 
You are talking about authoritarian states, Communism should be democratic. There is nothing more Democratic than the public ownership of the means of production, where the public or in the narrow sense the Commune decide on what is to be done. It is a myriad of small democracies working within a larger framework.

The Communism most people associate with is a bastardisation of the true meaning where a single figurehead controls the country, which is authoritarian and leads to dictatorship.

There is also the commonly used theme of Communism killing millions of people, if that were the case then it pales into significance behind the number of deaths caused by capitalism.

Can democracy exist without individualism thou? I’d argue it cannot therefore any idea of democracy will always fall foul of human greed
 
Yes because of the sanctions and blockade imposed by America .... when your main income comes from one crop and gambling and your customer stops buying and forbids people from visiting ... where do you turn?

If you have such a great system that everyone wants to be a part of then nobody would have a problem. Being propped up by one of the most authoritarian and brutal regimes of its time is hardly a selling point. The fact it was Castro's Cuba for so long shows what it was.
 
You are talking about authoritarian states, Communism should be democratic. There is nothing more Democratic than the public ownership of the means of production, where the public or in the narrow sense the Commune decide on what is to be done. It is a myriad of small democracies working within a larger framework.

The Communism most people associate with is a bastardisation of the true meaning where a single figurehead controls the country, which is authoritarian and leads to dictatorship.

There is also the commonly used theme of Communism killing millions of people, if that were the case then it pales into significance behind the number of deaths caused by capitalism.

Killing tens of millions of your own people is a rather self-defeating ideology. Rather than what communism ideologically should be, it's practical application is what matters. I agree that's a bastardisation but the theory fails to acknowledge that human and natural structures are formed on hierarchies so whether democratically elected or forcibly imposed, someone has to be on top. They in turn fail to acknowledge that the gains, benefits and privileges they benefit from come from this structure and seek to tear it down and demonise it because they want one where they're on top.
 
If you have such a great system that everyone wants to be a part of then nobody would have a problem. Being propped up by one of the most authoritarian and brutal regimes of its time is hardly a selling point. The fact it was Castro's Cuba for so long shows what it was.


They loved him mate .... absolutely loved him and still do.

I'll leave this with you (One of my favourite speeches) ..... The future is between those that care .... and Conservatives.

 
Have I really just read on here that Cuba is an example of Communism working????????
It's survived as a country for a pretty long time by communist standards tbf, despite the US's best efforts and is a hell of a lot nicer than most of those central american countries. Pretty tough area of the world to have a functioning country.

Still not exactly an example of a raging success the rest of the world would be envious of
 
Remove the sanctions ... buy their produce... give them a chance .... it could've worked

So it's for those reasons that Cuba....

... holds political prisoners?

... does not allow freedom of expression for media outlets?

... restricts movement of its own citizens in their own country?
 
So it's for those reasons that Cuba....

... holds political prisoners?

... does not allow freedom of expression for media outlets?

... restricts movement of its own citizens in their own country?

Holds Political prisoners....... Julian Assange holding line 1

Freedom of expression ? ....... Let me know the name of an independent or left wing paper freely available in circulation in the UK

Tagging mate ... its called tagging
 
Killing tens of millions of your own people is a rather self-defeating ideology. Rather than what communism ideologically should be, it's practical application is what matters. I agree that's a bastardisation but the theory fails to acknowledge that human and natural structures are formed on hierarchies so whether democratically elected or forcibly imposed, someone has to be on top. They in turn fail to acknowledge that the gains, benefits and privileges they benefit from come from this structure and seek to tear it down and demonise it because they want one where they're on top.
Its not the ideology and you are applying capitalist principle to a system that refutes capitalism.
 
Its not the ideology and you are applying capitalist principle to a system that refutes capitalism.


That would be the (capitalist) system that can take a free resource (water) ... pack it into a plastic bottle (that takes 150 years to degrade) wrap a label around it and then compete against other bottles of free resource (water again with a different label) and then charge you 1/3 rd of the minimum hourly wage to buy it ...... a free resource


that capitalist system ?
 

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