Another new Brexit thread

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[Metal Biker]

No use mate, the outbound waggons are all empty ones returning to the EU as they don't import much from us.

No discount wienerschnitzel? :(

 

[Metal Biker]

Leavers think it’s a good deal, remainers don’t.

Probably means it’s a downgrade on membership but not the end of the world.

Twas ever thus.

Farage's mob won't be too happy, but for the majority of us it's exactly what we wanted/prepared to compromise on.

FBPE types are pretty much apoplectic right now. It amuses me that some MP's are stating that they are going to vote against the deal after shouting for years we cannot leave without one.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Leavers think it’s a good deal, remainers don’t.

Probably means it’s a downgrade on membership but not the end of the world.

It's as many of us thought a compromise with neither leavers, remainers, the UK or the EU getting everything they want. But all getting something they can live with. Delivers on the leave vote and GE promise while avoiding the worst excesses of a no deal and maintaining cordial relations with our EU friends. I think most adults can see past the idea of 'sides' and 'winning' - it's not 1940.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Twas ever thus.

Farage's mob won't be too happy, but for the majority of us it's exactly what we wanted/prepared to compromise on.

FBPE types are pretty much apoplectic right now. It amuses me that some MP's are stating that they are going to vote against the deal after shouting for years we cannot leave without one.

Loony fringe on either side.

 

[Ban-jani]

Twas ever thus.

Farage's mob won't be too happy, but for the majority of us it's exactly what we wanted/prepared to compromise on.

FBPE types are pretty much apoplectic right now. It amuses me that some MP's are stating that they are going to vote against the deal after shouting for years we cannot leave without one.

Farage will never be happy, his career is effectively over in the next 6 months.

People are tired of Brexit and just want to move on. The best he can hope for is to turn himself into a conservative radio commentator, that’s slightly to the right of the Tories.

Am I still disappointed about it all? Absolutely but life will go on and the country isnt going to go down the complete shitter, like no deal would have done.

Ultimately I think the country as a whole will be slightly worse off economically but I doubt the day to day lives of individuals will be significantly impacted, which I think could have happened.

In a few years the subject we’ll have forgotten about it and hopefully this god forsaken thread ;-)

 

[Metal Biker]

It's as many of us thought a compromise with neither leavers, remainers, the UK or the EU getting everything they want. But all getting something they can live with. Delivers on the leave vote and GE promise while avoiding the worst excesses of a no deal and maintaining cordial relations with our EU friends. I think most adults can see past the idea of 'sides' and 'winning' - it's not 1940.

It'll be a decades long, slow burn of separation/dependance on each other or a slow respectful understanding of each factions requirements moving forward. Hard to predict how the UK/EU relationship will strengthen/deteriorate in the coming decades, which is why I find it odd that some can declare with such confidence how things are going to be, especially in a post-COVID world.

 

[Ban-jani]

It's as many of us thought a compromise with neither leavers, remainers, the UK or the EU getting everything they want. But all getting something they can live with. Delivers on the leave vote and GE promise while avoiding the worst excesses of a no deal and maintaining cordial relations with our EU friends. I think most adults can see past the idea of 'sides' and 'winning' - it's not 1940.

Don’t get me wrong I think it’s a mistake and we shouldn’t be doing it but the amount of free trade that’s been retained, I won’t notice it and I’d guess the vast majority won’t.

Time to move on I think and trying to make a success of it.

 

[mcfc1632]

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That extra £350 million a week cant come soon enough. This is why we're struggling against Covid19.

This is in the Brexit thread - because.....?

 

[Metal Biker]

Farage will never be happy, his career is effectively over in the next 6 months.

People are tired of Brexit and just want to move on. The best he can hope for is to turn himself into a conservative radio commentator, that’s slightly to the right of the Tories.

Am I still disappointed about it all? Absolutely but life will go on and the country isnt going to go down the complete shitter, like no deal would have done.

Ultimately I think the country as a whole will be slightly worse off economically but I doubt the day to day lives of individuals will be significantly impacted, which I think could have happened.

In a few years the subject we’ll have forgotten about it and hopefully this god forsaken thread ;-)

He's got that Great British News Channel to flap his gums on, hasn't he.

I'm mostly disappointed that it has taken as long as it has. This could all have been sorted within the first 18 months, had our Parliament honoured their commitments and that stupid May election, but we all know how that turned out.

Covid is now the main priority.

 

[mcfc1632]

Leaving aside the amount, it seems we have imposed Capital controls within our own country...which is bizarre. Even more bizarre that Brexiteers bang on about ‘muh sovereignty’.

‘HMRC confirms that travellers from GB will need to declare cash of 10,000 euro or more when entering NI from 1 January. Declarations can be made online up to 72 hours in advance.’ @BBC

This is going to cause suuuuch an inconvenience to so many of us

 

[mcfc1632]

Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe is being held hostage because the British Government is refusing to repay the £400 million paid to them to produce tanks. They accepted the money and then refused to build the tanks.

That is because of Brexit......?

 

[BobKowalski]

This is going to cause suuuuch an inconvenience to so many of us

It is the imposition of capital controls in our own sovereign territory.

Do you not understand this?

What am I saying. Of course you don’t.

 

[mcfc1632]

No - I like them and think we should have a say in making them not just follow them. I think you know this.

Why would the EU allow a 3rd party nation to have a say in making their rules?

 

[Vic]

Leavers think it’s a good deal, remainers don’t.

Probably means it’s a downgrade on membership but not the end of the world.

Leavers pretend it's a good deal, remainers just say it's worse than what we have now.

 

[dave_blue12]

Twas ever thus.

Farage's mob won't be too happy, but for the majority of us it's exactly what we wanted/prepared to compromise on.

FBPE types are pretty much apoplectic right now. It amuses me that some MP's are stating that they are going to vote against the deal after shouting for years we cannot leave without one.

How the fuck do you know what the majority wanted ?

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

That is because of Brexit......?

no ...

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

This is in the Brexit thread - because.....?

The lies that were told ....

 

[mat]

 

[mcfc1632]

Hello mate - just spotted you on the thread again and was curious about your thoughts on the deal.
For a 'purist' like yourself I would imagine it's a bit shit being dragged back into the EU's orbit on trade.
It's a big constraint on bucaneering Britain and the kind of big ideas the Dom had about the Brits competing globally with the big players in the field of high tech /robotics etc.
N'est ce pas?
PS Niche player in world markets?

Well - I still need to find the time to do proper and full assessment - but my initial considerations I have just summarised in another post.

If you think that I am a 'purist' I would suggest that you have not understood the thrust of my posts

I am an 'outcomes' focussed person - and the deal at this stage seems to have successfully mitigated a whole range of risks that were facing the UK whilst members of the EU

It also seems to have secured what I would consider to be a 'genuine Brexit' - well at least in my world of pragmatism and strategic planning. I have often said that - I want a deal - but not if it means that we remain locked into the inappropriate controls of the EU

So this seems to me to be a good 'step'

It is the next steps that I am concerned to assess - the deal has created the opportunity to plot a course towards genuinely being able to implement an independent model - who is in charge and what their strategies are from this point is key.

I have stated that there must be no more extensions because the UK needs these 4 years to implement policies that will steer the UK towards a genuinely independent model. I know that a May type government would waste the opportunity - I just hope that the government(s) of the next 10 years (of whatever colour) seize the opportunity

We all - including the government(s) - need to understand that we have left and there is no going back to what was - it is done.

We now need to strive to make Brexit work and move forwards - and stop living in years that are gone and cannot ever return