Yep, one reason being because they can't monitor and manage their own health. I get a cough or headache now? I wrap up warm, stay in bed. Eat well. If I feel short of breath, I call the doctor.
But people in that category might not be able to make the decision when to do any of that, or indeed actually take those actions. It's also worth noting that the drugs prescribed to some mental health patients are very delitirious on the body.
I also have to say it's a big misconception here that COVID is 'a respiratory issue'.
It's a virus that spreads from patient to patient via the respiratory system.
But once it has a hold on the patient, it can and does cause serious problems with just about any system or organ.
Immunological catastrophies, permanent neurological damage, loss of circulation, persistent heart, liver & kidney problems. Not bad for a cough.
In March I was fittest I been even back when I was playing rugby but the classes never started after lockdown the pt guy did it on zoom but didnt suit myselfI too let myself go too far at one point. I’ve got myself about half way back to being as fit as I was when I was a PT.
But we need that revolution across the entire country.
The estimate is 20 million on the 9 groups of those at risk that need to be vaccinated first, as you say to protect all them , and the nhs would leave nobody to keep the country running, not least in the hospitals and care industry.And what happens to their jobs while they’re locked away? How do companies go on without them?
I’ve got one mate who was born with one lung, otherwise a healthy 30something, but covid would be extremely dangerous for him. If he would have had to have been locked away throughout all this, he’d likely have been layed off. He’s got three kids. Who then feeds them? Where do they live if he can’t pay his mortgage?
Just imagine this multiplied by millions across the country.
This is 10-20 million people.
It's not remotely possible. An attempt will result in hundreds of thousands dead and our healthcare overwhelmed. You need a different plan. Here's one:
1. Suppress the virus as hard as possible for a month. Like lockdown one.
2. Vaccinate, vaccinate, vaccinate.
3. Review and relax as fast as virus's spread allows.
If you don't fancy that, tier 4 everywhere instead of lock down. You'll probably end up locking down anyway, but might be able to get vaccinations ahead of the virus.
I guess I'd say that there's an awful lot more out there than those conditions.I get what it is but used respitory as that tends to be the view.
but having had depression and being dyslexic I can assure you they are not an issue in this case unless they are extremely severe.
If you can survive at home, then they want you out of the hospital.I do understand why they were built but, considering none have been used as yet (including zero beds) and we have NHS staff seemingly now telling admitted patients without Covid that they are "safer at home" then it seems like they were a PR exercise to me, with no contingency or emergency planning playing any part whatsoever.
I GET the need for them, I'm just failing to see any real utilisation or thinking outside the box.
Maybe you are privy to that info, in which case I'll give you the floor..... ;-)
Ok, I'm not wumming here (and maybe being a bit thick), but why were the Nightingales built and then not used??If you can survive at home, then they want you out of the hospital.
They are also acutely aware that X number of staff managing Y number of ICU beds should be happening, but they are currently running at different ratios eg X/2 and y*2, meaning you have a worse case of surviving on ICu now, because they can’t watch/fix the increased numbers to the previous level of care.
why is this hard to understand?
the more you put in icu hospital, the thinner the care spread, the less optimistic outcomes.
I guess I'd say that there's an awful lot more out there than those conditions.
But you know, even moderate depressive episodes do sometimes result in people exhibiting a shocking lack of self-care - not washing, eating properly, drinking fluids. Not seeing a doctor, no exercise, no social contact, easy to not realise you are possibly ill. Plus hormones and stress levels can be affected in a significant way. It could add up to a pretty bad series of circumstances for someone with a virus like this.
Sadly you can’t ignore them.There's so many dicks about at the moment that I'm just ignoring them myself, way more important things to worry about.
I take it, you have no insurance/assurance of any sort?Ok, I'm not wumming here (and maybe being a bit thick), but why were the Nightingales built and then not used??
Ok, I'm not wumming here (and maybe being a bit thick), but why were the Nightingales built and then not used??
You sound like you think the reason why there is an issue is one those not following the rules.Zero. They werent required (then) because ... we had a successful adhered to lockdown. With no travel abroad incoming/outgoing. The chance was missed and the general public got lax as the numbers dwindled to 100s
So my point that it they are vulnerable they get support from the government, now I didn’t go into a great deal of detail but let’s say the vulnerable get furlough.Work,? Mortgages.? What do their employers do keep their job open and try to manage without them? What about their children and childcare. What happens if they are a care provider?
Is there an example of a country that has done this?
My mum & dad are 89 & 87. Live in Bredbury and all my dad as heard is early January.
Could they not be used as vaccination centres. Or even shelter for the homeless. Seems a wasteI take it, you have no insurance/assurance of any sort?
they were built as insurance for an overload.
the overload didn’t happen, as (very high) proportion of nation socially distanced, couldn’t go abroad, didn’t come from abroad, stopped going to hospital for a cut finger, didn’t go to hospital appts for almost anything, and it was a beautiful spring.
welcome to the current overload - with less nhs staff than before. Therefore the nightingales are even less likely to be used.
So they built them for a worse case scenario (which I understand completely) but knowing they have barely had enough staff for years to cover "normal" peaks? And when they were already calling for retired volunteers,?I take it, you have no insurance/assurance of any sort?
they were built as insurance for an overload.
the overload didn’t happen, as (very high) proportion of nation socially distanced, couldn’t go abroad, didn’t come from abroad, stopped going to hospital for a cut finger, didn’t go to hospital appts for almost anything, and it was a beautiful spring.
welcome to the current overload - with less nhs staff than before. Therefore the nightingales are even less likely to be used.