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bluetonium said:
BBC News - Edinson Cavani ban: Uruguay players want Man Utd striker's punishment overturned
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Edinson Cavani ban: Uruguay players want Man Utd striker's punishment overturned

Luis Suarez and Diego Godin share a letter from Uruguay's players' union calling for Edinson Cavani's suspension to be overturned.
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Am sure having renowned racist and biter Luis Suarez in his corner will help...

I don't know where to begin with this. Yes, the punishment was more than I expected and yes there is a huge oversensitivity towards such language, laughably from the older white dinosaurs that seem to make up much of our FA. But they made the rules and punishments known, punished others to that standard, and would have been shown up if they hadn't follows this one through. As we've seen, it doesn't matter if offence was intended or taken, to our FA.

But to suggest that such language is acceptable, no even more than that is integral, to the culture and society of Uruguay, ignoring that the player plays under the rules of another country's federation where rules and interpretation may be different.. I admit I have no real knowledge of Uruguayan culture but that seems a very odd statement.. how dare you take away my right to call my black friends by their colour, it's my national culture... But Cavani doesn't play in the Uruguayan league.

it's striking the number of united players who try to excuse and legitamise their behavior and are prepared to enlist the help of others to do so.

Be it Liar Liar and the Albanian mafia, Rio and the bathroom window, Giggs and his sister in law, Eric and his Munich tribute fee, or Cavani and the 'its ok where I come from' crowd, who by the way were nowhere to be seen when Bernie for a similar ban, dragged through the gutter by he media and had his form visibly affected (laughably for the BBC the just last night question why we have not been playing him more after his great performance!), It's funny how it's different when it's one of their players.
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The analogy I’ve used in the past, is if a Briton was caught drinking vodka in Saudi Arabia, would he/she be allowed to use the excuse that it’s legal in my home country?

Not a chance. Therefore Cavani's excuse is also a non-starter.
 
the-ecstacy-of-eight said:
Do you not get booked for repeatedly not retreating and attempting to delay the taking of a free-kick these days?
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Not if you’re one of the two cheeks of the same arse.

Magliar wouldn’t give the ball back to Villa on Friday, but nothing was done.
 
Vienna_70 said:
The analogy I’ve used in the past, is if a Briton was caught drinking vodka in Saudi Arabia, would he/she be allowed to use the excuse that it’s legal in my home country?

Not a chance. Therefore Cavani's excuse is also a non-starter.
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That's the dumbest analogy I've heard about the whole situation. It's absolutely not applicable.

If you want to make a comparison it's like you going to Saudi Arabia and saying something in Egnlish and being arrested because what you said sounds like a blasphemous word in arabic.


Let's be clear here, Cavani said a completely inoffensive word in common use in Spanish and he's been punished because someone decided it sounds like an offensive word in another language.

The Uruguayan PFA completely nail it here -

"He merely used a common expression in Latin America to affectionately address a loved one or close friend.​
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The sanction shows the English Football Association's biased, dogmatic and ethnocentric vision that only allows a subjective interpretation to be made".​
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No one on here really cares because they think it's funny a United player got banned, but this is the FA deciding that they can unilaterally decide what is racist and not, independent of whether it actually is. Now any player, including ours, can face a 3 match ban and get painted as a racist publicly if they simply say a word that sounds a bit like something offensive in English to someone at the FA.
 
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DorisBlue said:
Its not the same but its the same argument as going somewhere in the middle east and insulting Allah and thinking that is fine because in my country we have freedom of speech.
Bollocks is that the case.
You move to a country then you follow their customs. You dont do something or say something that can be seen as insulting or derogatory.
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Bit like being ordered to take down UK flags from your house in your own country because it offends.
 
bluetonium said:
BBC News - Edinson Cavani ban: Uruguay players want Man Utd striker's punishment overturned
www.bbc.co.uk

Edinson Cavani ban: Uruguay players want Man Utd striker's punishment overturned

Luis Suarez and Diego Godin share a letter from Uruguay's players' union calling for Edinson Cavani's suspension to be overturned.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Am sure having renowned racist and biter Luis Suarez in his corner will help...

I don't know where to begin with this. Yes, the punishment was more than I expected and yes there is a huge oversensitivity towards such language, laughably from the older white dinosaurs that seem to make up much of our FA. But they made the rules and punishments known, punished others to that standard, and would have been shown up if they hadn't follows this one through. As we've seen, it doesn't matter if offence was intended or taken, to our FA.

But to suggest that such language is acceptable, no even more than that is integral, to the culture and society of Uruguay, ignoring that the player plays under the rules of another country's federation where rules and interpretation may be different.. I admit I have no real knowledge of Uruguayan culture but that seems a very odd statement.. how dare you take away my right to call my black friends by their colour, it's my national culture... But Cavani doesn't play in the Uruguayan league.

it's striking the number of united players who try to excuse and legitamise their behavior and are prepared to enlist the help of others to do so.

Be it Liar Liar and the Albanian mafia, Rio and the bathroom window, Giggs and his sister in law, Eric and his Munich tribute fee, or Cavani and the 'its ok where I come from' crowd, who by the way were nowhere to be seen when Bernie for a similar ban, dragged through the gutter by he media and had his form visibly affected (laughably for the BBC the just last night question why we have not been playing him more after his great performance!), It's funny how it's different when it's one of their players.
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He's been playing in Europe for the last 15 years yet doesn't know what he said may upset someone?
 
domalino said:
That's the dumbest analogy I've heard about the whole situation. It's absolutely not applicable.

If you want to make a comparison it's like you going to Saudi Arabia and saying something in Egnlish and being arrested because what you said sounds like a blasphemous word in arabic.


Let's be clear here, Cavani said a completely inoffensive word in common use in Spanish and he's been punished because someone decided it sounds like an offensive word in another language.

The Uruguayan PFA completely nail it here -

"He merely used a common expression in Latin America to affectionately address a loved one or close friend.​
​
The sanction shows the English Football Association's biased, dogmatic and ethnocentric vision that only allows a subjective interpretation to be made".​
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No one on here really cares because they think it's funny a United player got banned, but this is the FA deciding that they can unilaterally decide what is racist and not, independent of whether it actually is. Now any player, including ours, can face a 3 match ban and get painted as a racist publicly if they simply say a word that sounds a bit like something offensive in English to someone at the FA.
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Not valid. It was not a word that merely sounds offensive in English - it means little black man. So it is a racial reference. The fact that it is not considered offensive in Spain or Uruguay misses the point. Gay slurs are still acceptable in certain countries. Doesn't mean we should accept them here. Cavani may be ignorant rather than racist - but if Bernardo got banned, he absolutely should too.
 
lasereyes said:
Not valid. It was not a word that merely sounds offensive in English - it means little black man. So it is a racial reference. The fact that it is not considered offensive in Spain or Uruguay misses the point. Gay slurs are still acceptable in certain countries. Doesn't mean we should accept them here. Cavani may be ignorant rather than racist - but if Bernardo got banned, he absolutely should too.
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Agreed. There was a case a few months ago where an American linguistics professor was suspended for using the Chinese phrase na-ge (in the context of explaining it's meaning) because it sounded like the N-word. That is absolutely ridiculous. This is different, as you say. But to continue the analogy that domalino uses, it would be like going to Saudi Arabia, saying publicly (in English) that God doesn't exist, and then being surprised when you got punished for blasphemy. It's then not a defence that in your culture that's considered an acceptable sentiment. Would an Australian saying "Thanks P-word" not be sanctioned because it's not offensive over there?

But also let's be clear, this is a defence coming out of a country that almost universally tried to defend a player biting an opponent. If there were "Spanish language experts" from Spain, or Argentina, or Chile also backing up this idea that he hasn't used racist language, I'd be more tempted to listen.

Having said that, Bernardo got banned for one game, so I'm not sure why Cavani is getting more than that. It seems like a similar thing.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
But also let's be clear, this is a defence coming out of a country that almost universally tried to defend a player biting an opponent. If there were "Spanish language experts" from Spain, or Argentina, or Chile also backing up this idea that he hasn't used racist language, I'd be more tempted to listen.

Having said that, Bernardo got banned for one game, so I'm not sure why Cavani is getting more than that. It seems like a similar thing.
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He didn’t get the same abuse from the media, who banged on for days regarding Bernado. So a longer ban feels appropriate to me.
 
lasereyes said:
Not valid. It was not a word that merely sounds offensive in English - it means little black man. So it is a racial reference. The fact that it is not considered offensive in Spain or Uruguay misses the point. Gay slurs are still acceptable in certain countries. Doesn't mean we should accept them here. Cavani may be ignorant rather than racist - but if Bernardo got banned, he absolutely should too.
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I read that as "gay sluts".
 

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