United thread 2020/21

[Hayley Croppers chopper]

Typical Atkinson love in with Utd, how we ended up level on cards is telling, he let them get away with murder. Shaw should be done for his cowardly assault on Jo, can’t believe he was not carded for that and as others have said, how Martial didn’t get booked for diving was shocking. Even though a clear dive, was surprised he didn’t give it then hide behind the not clear and obvious error scam but think Klopps words and the focus on their penalties meant it would have been too obvious to the watching world.

Why wouldn’t they get away with murder. Wasn’t he the ref that gave them 7 minutes injury time when Bellamy scored at the swamp for Owen to go and nick it for them

 

[Messi38]

It used to be Sunderland who bought all their old shite for stupid money. And look where they are now

Yeah. And the funny thing is the clueless United fans on redcafe use the fact that their players still play in the league as evidence of their 'great youth system'. No, its donkeys like Bruce and pulis buying your shite.

Why would anyone buy the likes of lingard, Jones, rojo etc? And you just know in the future cunts like Williams and tuanzebe will be other examples of poor players who hang around their club for years like a bad smell. They don't half love to wildly overrate their academy.

 

[lasereyes]

Maybe he was playing above himself? It happens

It was also one pass. It's not as if he ran the game. He was pretty average/anonymous for the rest of it.

 

[Messi38]

It was also one pass. It's not as if he ran the game. He was pretty average/anonymous for the rest of it.

Yeah I hate moments players like that and prefer players who dictate entire games. Its the main reason messi is far better than the Portuguese bellend ronaldo,

 

[Vienna_70]

Why is Fernandes so good for them then?

I didn’t see anything last night to impress me.

He had a couple of shots that were more like rugby conversions, and didn’t want to know, when Dinho introduced himself.

 

[Hayley Croppers chopper]

I think the Pogba pen vs Villa and the clip of him in the same game telling Shaw to dive has fucked them

Really!
How many shocking pens do they get every other week. It’s the same with the scousers and it was always the same when Ronaldo played for them. I used to think surely the refs watch MOTD and see who’s unbalanced in the penalty box but the reputations don’t stop them getting the next penalty.

 

[Messi38]

I didn’t see anything last night to impress me.

He had a couple of shots that were more like rugby conversions, and didn’t want to know, when Dinho introduced himself.

Yeah this fernandes guy is a myth, he's anonymous in lots of games but hides it with an assist or penalty. He also messes up plenty of through balls. Compare to how even om an off day kdb is constantly probing and maintains his technical fundamentals.

He is a decent player but just another united media invention. Var has been their best player since January, not him. I suspected he'd be rubbish last night as he normally is vs good teams, the overrated buck toothed bellend. If he is their best player you have nothing to worry about, they'll fall away soon,

 

[Gingers Dad]

RIght that pass. That's the only thing he's ever done in scores of games I've watched him. Mangala did more in a blinding debut and 2 CL quarters vs. PSG. Never rated him and that has nothing to do with the scum

You're right mate. That great game he supposedly had for Juve at the Etihad boils down to one fckin pass.

 

[Hayley Croppers chopper]

I liked Spit the Dog's response

joint tossers

 

[Hayley Croppers chopper]

The main issue with Pogba is that he feels he's bigger than the club. All about what's good for him etc.

But the rags build them up to that status then wonder why the hell it all turns to shit

 

[Messi38]

It was also one pass. It's not as if he ran the game. He was pretty average/anonymous for the rest of it.

Was the same with the 2 3 game where he scored 2, terrible in the first half and just got in the box for two finishes second, it was hardly maradona vs England.

 

[Vienna_70]

I dont think he's shit.

Kleberson and Stephan guivarch started for the world champions too.

What you said about the manager of France is an appeal to authority fallacy example. I take it you agree with every decision didier deschamps has even undertook and think he never gets anything wrong then? Look up argument from authority.

Great managers, not that deschamps is one of those, pick average players all the time. Is Henderson world class because he's a regular under a far better manager than deschamps in klopp? Henderson is a good player, but klopp picking him would suggest he's world class using your argument.

Do you think giroud and loris are great players?

You don’t think Didier Deschamps is a great manager?

You don’t lead a team to World Cup glory, unless you have something about you.

 

[Messi38]

You don’t think Didier Deschamps is a great manager?

You don’t lead a team to World Cup glory, unless you have something about you.

Relative to other managers in the world or history, no I don't.

Teams can win stuff with merely decent managers.

Either way, it doesn't change the point i made in that post about him appealing to authority. Even if deschamps was the greatest manager of all time. He expects me to rate pogba because deschamps does, which is ludicrous to expect me to do.

I dont think low is a great manager either, he too won the world Cup. Di matteo won the champions league. Zidane has won more European cups than loads of better managers, these things happen.

 

[mccity]

With regards to Fernandes, he is a bit of an anomaly by all accounts.

He was always a very good player in Portugal. He has a really good knack of shooting, crossing, very decent creative player, and most of all a really good amount of drive and work ethic. Players like that rarely drop below their standard. So unfortunately he can't be downed by the United curse. At least not yet...

United have been clever enough to put him at the centre of everything. Not only does every attack go through him, but he takes penalties and set pieces too. He's bound to rack up good stats with their team of giants. And as I say he's consistently at his level.

Of course he's not elite level, nor is he playing for an elite team. Which means a really good side can keep him and the rest of United quiet, and it's unlikely he'll ever pull the proverbial rabbit out of the hat à la De Bruyne. It's noticeable how generally ineffective he is against the top sides this season. But against the dross they play on a weekly basis for the most part, he's more than good enough.

He's a great flat-track bully. For a team with ambitions of top 4 and regular semi-final appearances, he's great for them.

But the fact he's not quite an elite player and yet he's leagues above the rest of their team is telling about the rest of their squad.


Edit: I'd like to add that the only two players that United have (/had?) that element of "magic" about them i.e. the ability to do something amazing out of nothing like I mentioned De Bruyne could, are Pogba and Martial. And those are the two players more than anybody else that have been turned to shit by United from being formerly prodigious. That's as much anti-football as anything as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Messi38]

With regards to Fernandes, he is a bit of an anomaly by all accounts.

He was always a very good player in Portugal. He has a really good knack of shooting, crossing, very decent creative player, and most of all a really good amount of drive and work ethic. Players like that rarely drop below their standard. So unfortunately he can't be downed by the United curse. At least not yet...

United have been clever enough to put him at the centre of everything. Not only does every attack go through him, but he takes penalties and set pieces too. He's bound to rack up good stats with their team of giants. And as I say he's consistently at his level.

Of course he's not elite level, nor is he playing for an elite team. Which means a really good side can keep him and the rest of United quiet, and it's unlikely he'll ever pull the proverbial rabbit out of the hat à la De Bruyne. It's noticeable how generally ineffective he is against the top sides this season. But against the dross they play on a weekly basis for the most part, he's more than good enough.

He's a great flat-track bully. For a team with ambitions of top 4 and regular semi-final appearances, he's great for them.

But the fact he's not quite an elite player and yet he's leagues above the rest of their team is telling about the rest of their squad.

Yeah thats a fair assessment. Flat track bully who racks up stats against dross, which comprises much of the league, is him in a nutshell. I do think he has an awful lowest level of performance though. When he's bad he is horrendous.

 

[mccity]

Yeah thats a fair assessment. Flat track bully who racks up stats against dross, which comprises much of the league, is him in a nutshell. I do think he has an awful lowest level of performance though. When he's bad he is horrendous.

Absolutely, which is what makes him not elite. He's effectively a classical no10, which means that when he's cut off and has no chance to do his own thing he's completely ineffective.
Elite players in that position, like De Bruyne or Ozil back when he was good, can play like absolute shit and still create 5 top chances a game or score a goal.

And it's fine that Fernandes can't do that, but it's something that is annoyingly ignored when he's fawned over.


On another note, there really aren't many top class attacking midfielders left in the world. De Bruyne and Muller, and I can't think of anyone else. Unless you count Neymar I suppose.

 

[Messi38]

Absolutely, which is what makes him not elite. He's effectively a classical no10, which means that when he's cut off and has no chance to do his own thing he's completely ineffective.
Elite players in that position, like De Bruyne or Ozil back when he was good, can play like absolute shit and still create 5 top chances a game or score a goal.

And it's fine that Fernandes can't do that, but it's something that is annoyingly ignored when he's fawned over.


On another note, there really aren't many top class attacking midfielders left in the world. De Bruyne and Muller, and I can't think of anyone else. Unless you count Neymar I suppose.

Yeah exactly. Point is he can't dictate a game and is a moment player. Which isn't great for a teams no 10.
Neymar is more of an inside forward but hes a great playmaker, messi is a brilliant playmaker. Other than that it's a struggle.

 

[lefty goldblatt]

Apparently if they'd have played Bailly the outcome would have been totally different.

Phillip?

 

[Stoned Rose]

I didn’t see anything last night to impress me.

He had a couple of shots that were more like rugby conversions, and didn’t want to know, when Dinho introduced himself.

His early shot that Steffen saved was his best bit in the derby.

Other than that he was pocketed by Dinho.

Rest of the season he has been impressive imo mate.

I'd have him in our squad, despite his extremely annoying face.

 

[Bluesince1979]

City reject!

Didnt want him anyway ;)