Coronavirus (2021) thread

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mackenzie said:
Well, it was definitely an antibodies test and that's what he was told by the medical professional. I've no reason to doubt him.
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You can’t argue with the logic of someone who has still got antibodies after about 10 months saying antibodies don’t last longer than 5 months. Bizarre.

Anyhow the thousands of people in the study had antibodies it was all about reinfections.
 
blueparrot said:
Of course they won’t doesn’t mean people don’t. Besides not having antibodies present, also doesn’t mean your body hasn’t retained a memory that produces them again if they are needed.
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My point is we are not at the point where we are sure about immunity , five months , maybe, is all i have seen , i will read that link i was given later . I am not hanging out in here on game night
 
Regional Scoreboard:

South:-


East 4070 - down 379 from 4449

London 9995 - up 1157. London staying around 10,000 and finding it hard to shift.

South East 6133 - down 156 from 6289.

South West 2181 - down 417 from 2598. Fourth straight fall here.



Midlands:-


East Midlands 2229 - down 422 from 2651.

West Midlands 3633 - down 1430 from 5063. Biggest fall of the day and lowest numbers in 2 weeks.



North:-



North East 1077 - down 184 from 1261.

Yorkshire 1494 - up 294 (only other region with London to rise today) from 1200;


And North West

4263 - down 820 from 5083.

As you can see above only London and the South East had bigger numbers and this is proving consistently true.

Though this is still the lowest NW total in 15 days.
 


Israel and vaccines. Click the link then translate from Hebrew. Cautiously optimistic as per Blue Anorak's post earlier.

Edit - should add that I've just scrolled through the replies and there are some which seem to contradict the post, saying that there's absolutely nothing there which brings any optimism for the vaccines as yet. Infact goes on to say if there are no real improvements this week its very bad news for Pfizer and worse for humanity.
 
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GM Scoreboard:


1294 cases. Down from 1523. 30.3% of NW total of 4263.

3 wks v 2 wks v last wk v Today:- 717 v 1665 v 1860 v 1523 Today.


Pop Score is cases across whole pandemic v 100,000 people - rises daily but lower the better.

Weekly Pop is same measure across last 7 days only. Can rise or fall depending on if more cases or less occur today v the same day last week,

Either way Up is bad, down is good.



Manchester 310 – down from 351. Total cases 41, 923. Weekly 2650. Pop score up 56 to 7583. Weekly Pop down 15 to 470.

Wigan 151 - down from 190. Total cases 22, 897. Weekly 1389. Pop score up 46 to 6967. Weekly Pop down 38 to 423.

Bolton 139 - down from 148. Total cases 19, 805. Weekly 1153. Pop score up 49 to 6888. Weekly Pop down 1 to 401.

Salford 127 - down from 132. Total cases 18, 042. Weekly 1112. Pop score up 50 to 6971 . Weekly Pop down 24 to 415.

Bury 119 - up from 77. Total cases 13, 718. Weekly 827. Pop score up 63 to 7183. Biggest rise of the day\. Weekly Pop up 3 to 433. Only borough going the wrong way today. But not by much.

Stockport 114 - down from 193. Total cases 15, 732. Weekly 1333, Pop score up 38 to 5361. Much better day. Gains 3 back from Trafford and now has an overall Pop lead of139. Weekly Pop down 28 to 454.

Trafford 97 - down from 137. Total cases 13, 054. Weekly 988. Pop score up 41 to 5500. Weekly Pop down 34 to 416.

Rochdale 85- down from 101. Total cases 16, 865. Weekly 782. Pop score up 38 to 7583. Weekly Pop down 25 to 352 .

Oldham 77 -down from 93. Total cases 18, 768. Weekly 768. Lowest in GM. Just! Pop score up 32 to 7915. Lowest rise of the day. Weekly Pop down 9 to 324.

Tameside 75 - down from 101. Total cases 13, 879. Weekly 854. Pop score up 33 to 6128. Weekly Pop down 23 to 377.

A lot of large pop falls again today like yesterday showing week to week GM is well down on last week.

Looking a lot more positive.
 
i8rags said:
Quite incredible that more people have been vaccinated than have tested positive since the start of the pandemic, if you think nearly four million have antibodies and four million have vaccine, that’s hugely positive
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There’s some basic data from that.
How many tested positive & either died or became very ill compared to those larger figures for vaccination & (as far as I know) extremely low number of side effects.

But the retort will be ‘ah, but we don’t know about the long term effects’ which we don’t of course, but I’m going to hazard a guess it won’t change ones DNA.

I’ve no idea how long I’ll be protected for after I (hopefully) get over this but I’ll the jab with open arms if offered.
 
ayrshire_blue said:


Israel and vaccines. Click the link then translate from Hebrew. Cautiously optimistic as per Blue Anorak's post earlier.

Edit - should add that I've just scrolled through the replies and there are some which seem to contradict the post, saying that there's absolutely nothing there which brings any optimism for the vaccines as yet. Infact goes on to say if there are no real improvements this week its very bad news for Pfizer and worse for humanity.
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This wouldn’t surprise me at all.

the vaccine efficacy % would be accurate if it was figures from a challenge trial, but unfortunately, it’s not.

I’m of the opinion that the vast majority of the people who had the vaccine in the trial never actually came into contact with the virus at all.
 
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The latest regional Weekly Pop table is out.

It is based on 5 day old data - remember - as it uses the finalised data back allocated to actual date of the test.

As suspected a few days ago when I posted the last one the NW is heading for the top of the table and the top of THIS table is not a thing to celebrate.

Though the good news is that every region is now falling. A week or so ago the reverse was true.


Region // Weekly Pop Today // Weekly Pop 7 days ago // Up/Down and % rise/fall



London // 811 // 1058 // Down 247 - minus 23%

East // 580 // 795 // Down 215 - minus 27%

North West // 572 // 595 // Down 23 - minus 4%

West Midlands // 570 // 623 // Down 53 - minus 9%

South East // 552 // 728 // Down 172 - minus 24%

East Midlands // 416 // 464 // Down 48 - minus19%

South West // 355 // 382 // Down 27 - minus 7%

North East // 347 // 458 // Down 111 - minus24%

Yorkshire // 291 // 346 // Down 55 - minus 11%



If you were to place Greater Manchester in that table it would have a current weekly Pop of 408. Well below the NW average and just below East MIdlands. Or above really as lower is better.
 
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Healdplace said:
The latest regional Weekly Pop table is out.

It is based on 5 day old data - remember - as it uses the finalised data back allocated to actual date of the test.

As suspected a few days ago when I posted the last one the NW is heading for the top of the table and the top of THIS table is not a thing to celebrate.

Though the good news is that every region is now falling. A week or so ago the reverse was true.


Region // Weekly Pop Today // Weekly Pop 7 days ago // Up/Down and % rise/fall



London // 811 // 1058 // Down 247 - minus 23%

East // 580 // 795 // Down 215 - minus 27%

North West // 572 // 595 // Down 23 - minus 4%

West Midlands // 570 // 623 // Down 53 - minus 9%

South East // 552 // 728 // Down 172 - minus 24%

East Midlands // 416 // 464 // Down 48 - minus19%

South West // 355 // 382 // Down 27 - minus 7%

North East // 347 // 458 // Down 111 - minus24%

Yorkshire // 291 // 346 // Down 55 - minus 11%



If you were to place Greater Manchester in that table it would have a current weekly Pop of 408. Well below the NW average and just below East MIdlands. Or above really as lower is better.
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so do you think we are or have peaked now on this wave? Do the measures seem to be working against this new variant?
 
brian the blue said:
This wouldn’t surprise me at all.

the vaccine efficacy % would be accurate if it was figures from a challenge trial, but unfortunately, it’s not.

I’m of the opinion that the vast majority of the people who had the vaccine in the trial never actually came into contact with the virus at all.
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I think if there is bad news on the Pfizer vaccine front and it's nothing like as effective as thought, it could be up there with the worst news we could possibly get right now. I hope something really positive and conclusive that it's because of the vaccine comes this week.
 
In the weekly Pop table for the boroughs in Wales btw. Three of the top four are now in North Wales.

Denbighshire at 390 is third, Flintshire at 529 is 2nd.

But way ahead at the top is Wrexham on 825.

And the final stages of the Oxford vaccine putting it into phials is carried out at a factory in - you guessed it?
 
brian the blue said:
This wouldn’t surprise me at all.

the vaccine efficacy % would be accurate if it was figures from a challenge trial, but unfortunately, it’s not.

I’m of the opinion that the vast majority of the people who had the vaccine in the trial never actually came into contact with the virus at all.
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It would have to be a heck of a coincidence to produce this graph:



It looks so god damn decisive that they must be some ridiculously strong confidence intervals.
 
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