Coronavirus (2021) thread

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mackenzie said:
Yes, I read that too...hence my curiosity in this whole area.
I know I'm Negative, think it's O but might be A. I had to have the usual injection to counter this when I gave birth to my son.
Need to ask my GP at some point.
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You’re not as negative as some on here......
Im B+ thankfully... helps me through it all.
 
feedthegoat27 said:
Have you got something to back up that claim?

In my experiences rules were much more enforced abroad, people respected them more, and due to a lack of holidaymakers it was very easy to keep away from people, no crowds to avoid etc etc

And people were, generally, in countries where the rate of infection was a hell of a lot lower than the UK.

Did you go abroad last year?
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Pretty sure I read that a strain that was first tracked to Spain was found in several thousands over here. However, some selfish people see going abroad as some kind of right. I wouldn't have an issue with it if they were forced to quarantine.
 
Manc in London said:
Where will these people go?

I can imagine several countries may not allow visitors and those that do may require a certificate/letter of some kind. Plus, when you go these countries, they may be in lockdown, so why bother? I would also think many cannot afford to go on holiday with thousands unemployed or having lower incomes. For those who do go abroad, they may well have to quarantine when they come back.

Feck it, I will travel around the UK seeing family and put more money towards a loft extension and an electric car.
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I imagine some countries in Europe, particularly those that are more reliant on tourism than others, will gradually open up as summer approaches.

Think places like Greece, Spain, Turkey, Croatia, Italy etc, much like last year.

The vaccine aspect remains to be seen, though my guess is that countries will permit people with a negative test if they haven't yet had the vaccine/declined the vaccine.

The lockdown question isn't really applicable as it's unlikely the country will be allowing tourists if said country is in lockdown.
Quarantine on return? Possibly, all depends on the travel corridors/vaccine rollout etc. Package holidays will generally only operate should there be no quarantine on arrival or return.

I don't foresee many long haul destinations opening up; maybe America, some Caribbean islands, some places in the Indian Ocean possibly. Can probably rule out Australia and New Zealand until 2022.

With the ongoing uncertainty, I'm sure the UK domestic holiday market will see a local boost in 2021.
I can't see international travel returning to relative normality until 2022 at the earliest, but some foreign travel will again return in 2021 for those inclined.
 
Manc in London said:
Pretty sure I read that a strain that was first tracked to Spain was found in several thousands over here. However, some selfish people see going abroad as some kind of right. I wouldn't have an issue with it if they were forced to quarantine.
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The only way to stop folk coming and going around the globe is to close the UK’s borders - end of.
Simply asking folk not to do things doesn’t work.
Some people haven’t even got the self discipline to stay away from illegal raves on a Saturday night.
 
Summerbuzz said:
You can't. Stop trying. Look at the period between you getting your first inkling and symptoms, to the moment when you knew you were ok to get to the shower. Draw a big circle around that whole period.

That is now 'the event'. It's cost you mentally and physically. It's over, but you are not fit in the way you were at the start.

Recovering your strength and mental well being is the task, whilst ensuring the remaining infection and symptoms slowly lessen. You are starting at a lower point than you ever have done. And you are still fighting the disease, if not the infection.

Start with daily goals like a shower. And doing laundry. No exercise kid. Not for ages. Babying yourself mentally is also de rigeur. Cartoons and Disney films. Innocuous stuff, comedy. Some calmish music. Internet is definitely not recommended but you can't beat a bit of support online.

Make a note of what you've still got in your life that you are greatful for. If you do think about the future, things you want to be in a place to work towards - in, say, 6 months or a year, then see yourself as being fit and healthy at the centre. Your lungs and other organs and nerves are like a very old tree. They've just been blighted and chopped right back. They will regrow at a glacial pace. The calmer, more positive and gentle your recovery now, the more even and strong that growth will be from the bottom up. And therefore the stronger the tree will be in the months, and years to come. Ignore Boris or anyone else's timescale. You sound really unwell. And remember, you didn't have access to plasma treatment, COPD, vitamin injection, a spotless hospital, 2 registrars 3 consultants and 8 nurses to monitor and do everything. Or anything else.

Looking after yourself whilst ill is a tricky and draining thing. It really is. I want you to be prepared for how it can make you feel. But it's good love that you are showing yourself. Like a nurse, or your mum, if she was good with you when you were ill, or maybe a girlfriend. Easy does it. Treat yourself with kid gloves. Count the things you do and how gentle you are on yourself.

I hope you begin to feel better. No-one expects you to be running around for ages. And that is very sad. I genuinely feel very bad for you, because I've had to recover on my own from less, and I know how sad the process can be, when you sit there and think, I could do with a break from looking after this sick guy, and you know one isn't coming. Without going out, it's that much worse. Look forward to that one in a month or two. Til then, it's showers, hygeine, washing, food, and cheering yourself up, and pracitising being calm and gentle and attentive, all the way.
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Quality post and advice mate. Excellent.
 
Manc in London said:
Pretty sure I read that a strain that was first tracked to Spain was found in several thousands over here. However, some selfish people see going abroad as some kind of right. I wouldn't have an issue with it if they were forced to quarantine.
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I know lots of people who like to travel, myself included obviously, but I don't know anyone who thinks its their ''right''.
I'm sure these people exist, as you get idiots from all sections of society, but I don't know anyone like that personally.

The pandemic has certainly made me appreciate travel even more, and reinforced to not take it for granted.

If the Government opted to close the borders for 2021 then I'd be sad but would obviously go along with it. Not that I think they will unless shit really hits the fan (even more so than now)
 
feedthegoat27 said:
I imagine some countries in Europe, particularly those that are more reliant on tourism than others, will gradually open up as summer approaches.

Think places like Greece, Spain, Turkey, Croatia, Italy etc, much like last year.

The vaccine aspect remains to be seen, though my guess is that countries will permit people with a negative test if they haven't yet had the vaccine/declined the vaccine.

The lockdown question isn't really applicable as it's unlikely the country will be allowing tourists if said country is in lockdown.
Quarantine on return? Possibly, all depends on the travel corridors/vaccine rollout etc. Package holidays will generally only operate should there be no quarantine on arrival or return.

I don't foresee many long haul destinations opening up; maybe America, some Caribbean islands, some places in the Indian Ocean possibly. Can probably rule out Australia and New Zealand until 2022.

With the ongoing uncertainty, I'm sure the UK domestic holiday market will see a local boost in 2021.
I can't see international travel returning to relative normality until 2022 at the earliest, but some foreign travel will again return in 2021 for those inclined.
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It would be a surprise if all holiday destination types remain closed. Maybe some will not go because they had their fingers burnt last time when the Govt started to close flight corridors.

From what I have read, Cyprus will not allow anyone in who has not had a vaccine. Even with so few cases (last time I looked), the Govt had banned households mixing. Frustrating for us as we have a little place over there. But like I said elsewhere, there are other benefits as it will make a loft extension and a new car more affordable :)
 
Dr Anthony Fauci, the US chief immunologist, has warned that the coronavirus variant first detected in the UK is more deadly.

Speaking to Face the Nation on CBS News, Dr Fauci said: "We need to assume now that what has been circulating dominantly in the UK does have a certain degree of increase in what we call virulence, namely the power of the virus to cause more damage, including death."

He said this assumption was based on the British data analysis, and added that the teams in the US wanted to look at the data themselves.

"We have every reason to believe them as they are a very competent group," he said
 
Manc in London said:
It would be a surprise if all holiday destination types remain closed. Maybe some will not go because they had their fingers burnt last time when the Govt started to close flight corridors.

From what I have read, Cyprus will not allow anyone in who has not had a vaccine. Even with so few cases (last time I looked), the Govt had banned households mixing. Frustrating for us as we have a little place over there. But like I said elsewhere, there are other benefits as it will make a loft extension and a new car more affordable :)
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they're back in lockdown as far as I'm aware.
 
My friends wife works in a pharmacy in Manchester and we was chatting today (over xbox live) and he said that she is getting her jab next week. Of all of the staff there (about 8 or 9) only 3 were willing to have a jab and that including the actual pharmacists.

I just don't get it.
 
mr t said:
The only way to stop folk coming and going around the globe is to close the UK’s borders - end of.
Simply asking folk not to do things doesn’t work.
Some people haven’t even got the self discipline to stay away from illegal raves on a Saturday night.
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Should have happened a year ago and should still be in place into later this year.
 
HolisticJim said:
My friends wife works in a pharmacy in Manchester and we was chatting today (over xbox live) and he said that she is getting her jab next week. Of all of the staff there (about 8 or 9) only 3 were willing to have a jab and that including the actual pharmacists.

I just don't get it.
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Maybe they've already had Covid, have antibodies and are worried about any unforeseen complications with the vaccines.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
I think there's good evidence that variants from Spain became prevalent here after the summer.

Original research here.

www.medrxiv.org

Emergence and spread of a SARS-CoV-2 variant through Europe in the summer of 2020

A variant of SARS-CoV-2 emerged in early summer 2020, presumably in Spain, and has since spread to multiple European countries. The variant was first observed in Spain in June and has been at frequencies above 40% since July. Outside of Spain, the frequency of this variant has increased from...
www.medrxiv.org www.medrxiv.org
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There certainly is. Genetic sequencing had it as the main variant in the UK in October till the Kent variant took off.
 
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England hospital data last 24 hours:

Patients

32, 907 - up 293. Was 33. 352 last Sunday

Ventilators

3736 - up 5. Was 3533 last Sunday.

Regions


East

Patients up 88 to 4009 - past week down from 4177
Ventilators up 13 to 378 - past week up from 371


London

Patients down 14 to 7030 - past week down from 7707
Ventilators up 3 to 1220 - past week up from 1203


Midlands

Patients up 93 to 6338 - past week up from 6077
Ventilators down 16 to 655 - past week up from 595

NE / Yorks

Patients stays at 3732 - past week up from 3684
Ventilators down 1 to 339 - past week up from 282


North West

Patients up 84 to 4338 - record high - past week up from 4151
Ventilators down 5 to 400 - past week up from 383


South East

Patients up 7 to 5027 - past week down from 5387
Ventilators up 3 to 526 - past week up from 506



South West

Patients up 35 to 2253 - past week up from 2249
Ventilators up 9 to 219 - highest ever - past week up from 193
 
roubaixtuesday said:
I think there's good evidence that variants from Spain became prevalent here after the summer.

Original research here.

www.medrxiv.org

Emergence and spread of a SARS-CoV-2 variant through Europe in the summer of 2020

A variant of SARS-CoV-2 emerged in early summer 2020, presumably in Spain, and has since spread to multiple European countries. The variant was first observed in Spain in June and has been at frequencies above 40% since July. Outside of Spain, the frequency of this variant has increased from...
www.medrxiv.org www.medrxiv.org
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And I think this paper makes the point that limited import from abroad by holiday makers made little to no difference in comparison to domestic spread. I would argue there isn't conclusive evidence for this. The gut tells you that if that folk go overseas then it might come back, but I think the import was minimised. Not saying it never happened though.


(Also my link trumps yours as mine's reviewed, ;). )
 
Maybe the problem stemmed from open door Britain and the 450,000 flying into our shores every month from countries such as China and the USA without hindrance or check. Maybe that wasn't clever or shrewd ? I think it's all too easy to point the finger of blame at individuals that have actually followed government guideline throughout this pandemic. If the finger has to be pointed then should it not be pointed firmly at those that haven't.
 
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Psychedelic Casual said:
Should have happened a year ago and should still be in place into later this year.
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Definitely needs something stronger at least. For all the passenger location and contact details forms, all that happened last time I flew in (Nov) was a phone call 3 days later essentially asking 2You know you're supposed to stay inside for 14 days?"

I do.

"Ok, thanks, carry on"
 
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