Coronavirus (2021) thread

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I posted last week that I believed the vaccine was outpacing us and got told to cheer up and even patronised that I “must be having a bad week”.

Mother Nature is a magnificent and terrible god. The tide has ultimately turned and we will win this battle through vaccines but it’s going to take a long time and a lot of deaths. There’s a name for what’s going on: best man loses. It happens when any species starts to excessively dominate an ecosystem. We overpopulated the world and thought we were invincible.
 
sir baconface said:
Personally I wouldn’t accept the steam off that regime’s piss even I was paid.
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Both the Russian and Chinese dictatorships should be ostracised by the western world, we certainly shouldn't be buying anything off these gangsters especially vaccines. We need to ween ourselves off cheap Chinese products for our own good as well as a moral one.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
some on here lap up all the negative news stories and dont highlight the positives. The media are to blame and they love a bad news story much more than a positive one. That's why the deaths and positive cases are always highlighted on the news before anything else such as how well we are doing with the vaccine roll out.
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You need to read better
 
I've been guilty of this too very recently, so I include myself in it, but can we give it a rest with this happy clapper/doom monger stuff? It's utterly tiring. Shaming anyone shares anything that isn't positive, or doesn't have a cheery view of things, is incredibly unfair. The same goes for the other way around, and once again I include myself in this. I think every single person in this thread wants to read positive news. We all want our lives back. Some handle it better than others, great, but some don't - that's okay too. We're all in different positions. Some have barely any concerns, some have loads. I just hate this 'lol look at who's sharing this' snideyness. It's totally uncalled for and creates nothing more than arguments. If you disagree, just at least engage politely without resorting to digs.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
I posted last week that I believed the vaccine was outpacing us and got told to cheer up and even patronised that I “must be having a bad week”.

Mother Nature is a magnificent and terrible god. The tide has ultimately turned and we will win this battle through vaccines but it’s going to take a long time and a lot of deaths. There’s a name for what’s going on: best man loses. It happens when any species starts to excessively dominate an ecosystem. We overpopulated the world and thought we were invincible.
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Covid has so far accounted for over 2 million deaths worldwide but in the meantime the global human population has increased by around 80 million
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Personally I try to be guided by the facts.
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Me too I trust science to be objective. Political opinion less so.

Not like Russia has anything to gain by creating a vaccine that does not work as it will be the only one most of their people ever get to see.

And at £7 a dose it is also one of the very few many countries can afford to buy.

The Oxford vaccine is in the same category as cheap and a great hope for the majority of the planet outside the richest nations.

I think them combining efforts is to be welcomed not attacked because of a dodgy regime. If we did that we would need to ignore half the world on the occasions they do something useful.

It is possible to be discriminatively critical and in a pandemic that is essential.
 
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mancity1 said:
Look at climate change its predominately if we don't do this and don't do that we are on borrowed time and we have the facts to support it.

Very little is done to focus on the benefits to the planet assuming science is predominately in the camp the average surface temperature on the planet is warming.
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What does this even mean?
 
Unfortunately it was always going to be a huge gamble going all in on vaccines, as the possibility of mutations was always high. But the government didn't give itself much choice after bungling test and trace so badly and inexplicably not quarantiningvisitors even a whole year after this all started.
In reality, vaccines need to be combined with both quarantine from abroad and effective test and tracing, doing just vaccines is the easy way, but hugely risky. We are pretty much just hoping a vaccine resistant mutation doesn't turn up as we've pretty much admitted we have no back up plan
 
Healdplace said:
I don't think you can say that I do any of this. Nor that I am unaware as to what is going on here.

The fact we have allowed these variants to take root and are still not effectively controlling our borders will mean this will drag on longer than it might have done.

And we are guessing as to how well the vaccines will respond to the rapid changes to combat it that our vaccines are forcing the virus to do. Nobody can know as viruses are unpredictable.

But unless and until we stop these new variants becoming endemic in the UK by more effective border controls this will become a long dance between humanity and the virus and tweaks to the vaccine and a ruinously expensive one.

We are not eradicating this virus now just by vaccinating the population. Way past there. We simply have to reach an equilibrium point where we can live with it long term with it being regarded much as we do many other diseases that are not killing so visibly every week.

The UK is well ahead in the vaccine race. We have a big chance now to win the battle in the medium term not the long term. But if we do this and at the same time toss away the edge we gain by letting the world and it's cat bring every new strain by coming here unfettered because we are a 'crossroads of the world' we will be in this dance of virus - vaccine - modified virus - modified vaccine - that will go on for some time.

We are not the Isle of Man or New Zealand and never can be. But unless and until we are more like them than an open barn door we will never be as successful as they will be in getting on top of this now rapidly mutating virus.

These are just realities we have to live with. And letting the new strains become endemic with people unconnected with travel from those places is not good news however you look at it.
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Sorry I wasn’t directing it specifically at you , but the media sensationalise all the time . Just heard a professor of virology on LBC with Shelagh Fogerty who put everything into perspective, it will be available on the catch up feature they have . I’ve no doubt we will be living with this for years but as he pointed out the effectiveness of these vaccines is far greater than the majority of vaccines ever developed and mutations are the norm not the exception. I prefer taking my information from experts rather than journalists who are basically after headlines and exclusives .
 
This is the third time in several weeks I’ve read headlines of mutation evading vaccine and the first two didn’t turn out it be true.

Of course I have no idea if this time it’s more accurate or not but I’m getting fed up with the sensationalist media.

I also think politicians should only speak on it when they know for sure.

I am sick of reading the word “could” and it being deemed newsworthy.
 
twosips said:
I've been guilty of this too very recently, so I include myself in it, but can we give it a rest with this happy clapper/doom monger stuff? It's utterly tiring. Shaming anyone shares anything that isn't positive, or doesn't have a cheery view of things, is incredibly unfair. The same goes for the other way around, and once again I include myself in this. I think every single person in this thread wants to read positive news. We all want our lives back. Some handle it better than others, great, but some don't - that's okay too. We're all in different positions. Some have barely any concerns, some have loads. I just hate this 'lol look at who's sharing this' snideyness. It's totally uncalled for and creates nothing more than arguments. If you disagree, just at least engage politely without resorting to digs.
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This thread has taken a bizarre twist as it now seems that the common consensus of being a positive person is to refuse to acknowledge anything negative which life throws at you and pretend that you're super duper happy about everything. So positive. On the contrary, if you have the audacity to highlight and discuss anything that might be seen as negative, you must be the most depressing person on earth. Doom monger.

Life is full of ups and downs, it's natural to be happy about things and concerned about other things. I suppose the emotion is not in the point of discussion but in the response of the reader. If it's so unbearably negative for someone that they choose to ignore it, and slate those who do respond, I wouldn't be fooled that this reflects a positive personality trait in someone regardless of how often they try to portray that to be the case.

At the end of the day, it's a thread on a global pandemic. There's been lots of good news recently on the vaccine front and the falling case numbers and hospital figures, and hopefully more good news will come today, tomorrow or the next.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
I posted last week that I believed the vaccine was outpacing us and got told to cheer up and even patronised that I “must be having a bad week”.

Mother Nature is a magnificent and terrible god. The tide has ultimately turned and we will win this battle through vaccines but it’s going to take a long time and a lot of deaths. There’s a name for what’s going on: best man loses. It happens when any species starts to excessively dominate an ecosystem. We overpopulated the world and thought we were invincible.
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if its any comfort people die through malnutrition , old age , cancer , heart disease , dementia , natural causes etc at approx 33 times the rate of death from or with Covid-19.
 
Ban-jani said:
This is the third time in several weeks I’ve read headlines of mutation evading vaccine and the first two didn’t turn out it be true.

Of course I have no idea if this time it’s more accurate or not but I’m getting fed up with the sensationalist media.

I also think politicians should only speak on it when they know for sure.

I am sick of reading the word “could” and it being deemed newsworthy.
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Tbh I think this particular mutation will likely be fine re vaccines. I think the main concern for people like myself however is the pace of these mutations. I know it's normal, but it's still notable. We only officially announced the UK variant at the start of December. Two months later we've had the South African one, the Brazilian one and now even the UK one has mutated again. All capable of reducing vaccine efficacy. Given the shittyness of everything, it's not really unreasonable for people to feel cynical and expect the worse - further mutations, with one inevitably handing us a shit sandwich and an even bigger reduction. Might not happen of course, but you can't blame people for being concerned!

I know you hate the word 'could', but everything related to the future in this thread is a guess. It's all we can do. Some have a more cynical world view, some don't. Life.
 
BigOscar said:
Unfortunately it was always going to be a huge gamble going all in on vaccines, as the possibility of mutations was always high. But the government didn't give itself much choice after bungling test and trace so badly and inexplicably not quarantiningvisitors even a whole year after this all started.
In reality, vaccines need to be combined with both quarantine from abroad and effective test and tracing, doing just vaccines is the easy way, but hugely risky. We are pretty much just hoping a vaccine resistant mutation doesn't turn up as we've pretty much admitted we have no back up plan
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I bet a properly managed quarantine system would see the number of “essential” trips abroad decimated. Especially by wankers like Piers Morgan.

Apologies to Piers if it it makes the wait for beatification more boring.
 
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