Coronavirus (2021) thread

[shemnel]

I wonder how the decision making process will go to classify the boundaries or levels at which covid deaths are accepted into everyday mortality. Sorry if this is crass but it's surely a thing that needs thinking about properly, like all diseases, and that will form part of the strategy in the future.

E.g. it would be pure insanity to remain in the tightest ever lockdown (which we haven't done in the UK) while you have 1 death every other month - this isn't going to happen anywhere. So that obviously indicates there's a bar at which you set acceptance. Where is it? how do you determine it? This is a minefield of decisions.

 

[kaz7]

On the plus side it is the first dry day down here on the coast for what feels like forever and it feels like a spring day , things will feel earlier to deal with in the spring

 

[mancity1]

Your posts have been very Qanon, you havent even had it bad where you live in comparison to us

Bit over the top Kaz , when stating facts but again you are free to interpret them as such or fiction but even fiction has its benefits for people in life.

if you want to look at Victoria and Melbourne where I live , well my business has been destroyed by the government response a business that took 25 years to develop to where it was , I received not a cent of government support and was locked in my house except for shopping for essentials and some exercise for over 5 months last year in two lockdowns.

I am not complaining and despite me being in my later years I will press on knowing as soon as we get one case in the community we will be locked down again in the draconian fashion we have in the past.

What I will do is vote against this government at the next election and hope they get voted out of office as they deserve to be for the mishandling of the response.

BTW I am not a fan of Trump for the record I am a fan of freedom of speech , freedom of religion and amused at the anti Trump hysteria that went on in his 4 years of office.

His legacy according to the left is to almost destroy democracy and initiate a civil war in the land of the brave and the free (LOL).

I am no more right wing or left wing than you Kaz but yes your government has made many a mistake and the population has suffered unnecessarily as a result.

 

[mancity1]

What does this even mean?

it means you don't know what this means.

 

[mancity1]

Had my 1st AZ jab today. I feel more positive about the outlook now. feel more nervous about Burnley than Covid ..

The worst that can happen is we lose and we move onto Liverpool on top of the league.

 

[Barcon]

I read that he didn't because he was taking meds for pneumonia

Thanks mate. I wasn't sure if he had it or not.

 

[mancity1]

I wonder how the decision making process will go to classify the boundaries or levels at which covid deaths are accepted into everyday mortality. Sorry if this is crass but it's surely a thing that needs thinking about properly, like all diseases, and that will form part of the strategy in the future.

E.g. it would be pure insanity to remain in the tightest ever lockdown (which we haven't done in the UK) while you have 1 death every other month - this isn't going to happen anywhere. So that obviously indicates there's a bar at which you set acceptance. Where is it? how do you determine it? This is a minefield of decisions.

Perth ( W/A ) is in its hardest lockdown to date because 1 healthy 25 year old tested positive 5 days ago and they had no community transmission for 10 months because they banned anybody travelling into the state without 14 days of quarantine and in some cases banned citizens from other states entering the state at all for a number of months.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

I agree - but with recourse to politics all but impossible to avoid sadly as it drives most decisions we take as a nation because we chose not to have a war cabinet to eliminate that.

I wish we could even now do this and show this fight is for all and apolitical - but I fear that ship sailed.

But I am certain an all party committee would be more cautious about reopening swiftly as a party wanting to win votes back from a frustrated public willing them to do so.

This is why we should be running this pandemic free of politics - hard as that is - as this thread shows.

Hard decisions ARE needed and they are only likely to be taken swiftly if there is no political advantage or disadvantage from the choice.

The vaccine programme itself was mostly taken out of the political/Whitehall arena and assigned to a group of experts with a remit just to procure vaccines as quickly as possible. That's why it was a success. This crisis needed an all-party war cabinet from last February. Our border controls have been a disaster precisely because of political (not health or security) considerations.

 

[Healdplace]

England 767 hospital deaths by region:

115 East. 95 London, 161 Midlands, 109 NE & Yorkshire , 112 North West, 135 South East, 40 South West.

 

[BlueAnorak]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news this morning (genuinely - right sunk my mood), but monoclonal antibodies failed unfortunately. I know some on here were quite excited about that.

It is a great hope for future medicine, but it is the ability to go from Anrtibody to mass produced Cloned Antibody and as short a time as possible between one and the other that is the real prize here.
As has been pointed out Monoclonal Antibodies for the new variants are in the pipeline already.

 

[Healdplace]

Northern Ireland data:

17 deaths - was 16 last week

9 in care homes, 8 in hospital


447 cases - was 550 last week

19.3% positive

7 day weekly cases total 3517 - down from 3688 yesterday and 4583 last week

105 care home outbreaks down from 119 yesterday and 133 last week.

716 patients - down 19 - was 651 last week

58 ventilated - up 2 - was 57 last week

 

[feelymcfeel]

Perth ( W/A ) is in its hardest lockdown to date because 1 healthy 25 year old tested positive 5 days ago and they had no community transmission for 10 months because they banned anybody travelling into the state without 14 days of quarantine and in some cases banned citizens from other states entering the state at all for a number of months.

My question would be for how long would they do this?

Will they do it again for 1 case in 3 months time? 6? 12? When does it stop?

I'd guess until a vaccine is rolled out. What if uptake isn't that good? What if the vaccine's aren't any good? Gonna keep locking down ad infinitum?

I'm really getting to a point now where I'm not sure how much more of this I can take. The news is constantly mongering fear, karen won't shut the fuck up about lockdowns, healdplace is talking about long term rubbish. For someone who's mental health has been absolutely torn to pieces by this entire thing I have to be able to start living again soon, because merely existing isn't going to cut it.

 

[MeatnSpudsMCFC]

Fucking hell is the positive thread still going

Probably vanished just like Dr. Karol Sikora after the predictions about a second wave not being so bad turned out to be total horse shit.

 

[Healdplace]

So total deaths today with England out of hospital to come (will be some catch up there) is 860

3 wks v 2 wks v last wk v Today :- 839 v 945 v 986 v 860 Today

 

[kaz7]

Probably vanished along with Dr. Karol Sikora after the predictions about a second wave not being so bad turned out to be total horse shit.

He was the biggest blagger of them all

 

[M18CTID]

Surprised they haven't found any mutations in Farnworth yet

 

[worsleyweb]

Lets hope this is the case - also says even if mutates will still be degree of protection from existing vaccines and serious illness unlikely

Covid jabs could be tweaked against new variants in just three weeks

Professor Robin Shattock, who is working on booster shots against the variants, said the tweaked jabs could be got into Briton's arms within three months if required. Several are in development.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[mancity1]

My question would be for how long would they do this?

Will they do it again for 1 case in 3 months time? 6? 12? When does it stop?

I'd guess until a vaccine is rolled out. What if uptake isn't that good? What if the vaccine's aren't any good? Gonna keep locking down ad infinitum?

I'm really getting to a point now where I'm not sure how much more of this I can take. The news is constantly mongering fear, karen won't shut the fuck up about lockdowns, healdplace is talking about long term rubbish. For someone who's mental health has been absolutely torn to pieces by this entire thing I have to be able to start living again soon, because merely existing isn't going to cut it.

The states over hear bar one namely NSW have done so in the past unless the daily numbers and community spread is significant in which case they lockdown regions.

What is significant well as I said one community case is regarded as sufficient.

I said form the outset , protect the vulnerable have sound and equitable quarantine and contact tracing policy and let the rest get on with their lives.

Politicians and the lust for power and so called health experts working in the public sector have had their cake and eaten it as well many times over.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I said form the outset

And you've been wrong "form" the outset.

 

[Del_Bosque]

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