Return of Supporters

tolmie's hairdoo said:
If you haven't had the two jabs come the Carabao Cup final then forget it.

That's one of the markers being proposed to the ruling bodies.

It means the average age will be on the high side!
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Hi TH - yes I have heard that also, to be honest I think it's absolutely disgraceful that this is the way things will go in the next few months on vaccine passports. Surely this discriminates and violates against human rights?
What happens in the future if some city fans don't want the vaccine but want to watch the games?
Anyway i won't hijack the thread any longer.
 
BLUEMATT23 said:
Hi TH - yes I have heard that also, to be honest I think it's absolutely disgraceful that this is the way things will go in the next few months on vaccine passports. Surely this discriminates and violates against human rights?
What happens in the future if some city fans don't want the vaccine but want to watch the games?
Anyway i won't hijack the thread any longer.
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Hopefully the ones who chose not to have the vaccine aren't allowed at games.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Hopefully the ones who chose not to have the vaccine aren't allowed at games.
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Well I don't agree DD to be honest.
100% I will have it but people should have the right to refuse it - some people might not like needles etc?
So where we are getting to is saying to people basically you have to be vaccinated or else your banned from stuff?
Personally I think that's not right.
 
BLUEMATT23 said:
Well I don't agree DD to be honest.
100% I will have it but people should have the right to refuse it - some people might not like needles etc?
So where we are getting to is saying to people basically you have to be vaccinated or else your banned from stuff?
Personally I think that's not right.
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But neither is knowingly being comfortable putting your fellow human being at risk? Quite some irony that someone would refuse the jab on religious or health concerns, yet continue to ignore they will continue to be a health risk to everyone else.

It is a pandemic for the ages, there can't be a one-foot in, one foot out.
 
BLUEMATT23 said:
Well I don't agree DD to be honest.
100% I will have it but people should have the right to refuse it - some people might not like needles etc?
So where we are getting to is saying to people basically you have to be vaccinated or else your banned from stuff?
Personally I think that's not right.
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People do have the right to refuse it but those people can’t then expect to do things with people who have made themselves safer as it would make the vaccinations pointless.
 
kippaxchris said:
People do have the right to refuse it but those people can’t then expect to do things with people who have made themselves safer as it would make the vaccinations pointless.
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I agree with you but this issue is going to get a lot of discussion in the coming months.
 
BLUEMATT23 said:
I agree with you but this issue is going to get a lot of discussion in the coming months.
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Of course mate, but would you feel comfortable someone who refused the vaccine sitting next to you on a plane?

Even if you were, others on the plane would have something to say about it, as would the destinations receiving that plane load.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Of course mate, but would you feel comfortable someone who refused the vaccine sitting next to you on a plane?

Even if you were, others on the plane would have something to say about it, as would the destinations receiving that plane load.
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No I wouldn't feel comfortable but equally people should be allowed freedom of choice. But maybe if they refuse rightly there should be some consequences absolutely.
I just dont like the way some of this is going and there is a sense of controlling which I dont think is completely right.
 
BLUEMATT23 said:
No I wouldn't feel comfortable but equally people should be allowed freedom of choice. But maybe if they refuse rightly there should be some consequences absolutely.
I just dont like the way some of this is going and there is a sense of controlling which I dont think is completely right.
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I don’t think that any government in their right minds would make a vaccine compulsory but I don’t see any reason why those that choose to have it can’t be treated more favourably than those who refuse if there are clear consequences after refusing the jab...
 
BLUEMATT23 said:
No I wouldn't feel comfortable but equally people should be allowed freedom of choice. But maybe if they refuse rightly there should be some consequences absolutely.
I just dont like the way some of this is going and there is a sense of controlling which I dont think is completely right.
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We don't have freedom of choice mate, something like a global pandemic just highlights it more than ever.

You must pay taxes, you must have a passport to get on a plane, etc.

If we had freedom of choice already, the entire country/world would be ignoring the pandemic and the rules.

There will always be those people who believe the rules don't apply to them, obviously.

Well in this instance, the vaccination must apply to everyone, because the virus does not discriminate between decent citizens of the world and fucking selfish, ignorant knuckle-dragging know-nowts.

Which means get the jab or fuck off with your like-minded to somewhere that doesn't have it - oh wait...
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Of course mate, but would you feel comfortable someone who refused the vaccine sitting next to you on a plane?

Even if you were, others on the plane would have something to say about it, as would the destinations receiving that plane load.
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Doesn’t that depend who is the one at risk. If you are vaccinated and the person next to you is the one not vaccinated is the one putting themselves at risk. Similar to somebody 2 years ago could have refused a flu vaccine may have been putting themselves at risk sitting next to another person that had had the flu vaccine.
I’m particularly not against a vaccination certificate, nor am I against airlines, other countries etc asking for one, but I’m far from convinced it will happen.
 
blueparrot said:
Doesn’t that depend who is the one at risk. If you are vaccinated and the person next to you is the one not vaccinated is the one putting themselves at risk. Similar to somebody 2 years ago could have refused a flu vaccine may have been putting themselves at risk sitting next to another person that had had the flu vaccine.
I’m particularly not against a vaccination certificate, nor am I against airlines, other countries etc asking for one, but I’m far from convinced it will happen.
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There is still work being done to establish how transmissible the virus will be even if you have had the jab?

What can't be disputed if a person without the jab was able to travel, is the wider risk they pose to people in another country they arrive in.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
There is still work being done to establish how transmissible the virus will be even if you have had the jab?

What can't be disputed if a person without the jab was able to travel, is the wider risk they pose to people in another country they arrive in.
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Yes, think that’s far more likely, that the country of arrival will ask for immunisation certificate, same as they ask for things like yellow fever cert in some countries.
That will be implemented on UK citizens by other governments rather than our own though. Not sure where those immunised will get their certificate from though and whether we would need a different one for boosters adapted for other strains.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Hopefully the ones who chose not to have the vaccine aren't allowed at games.
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Agreed. It’s only a violation of human rights if the vaccine is made mandatory....but don’t get your knickers in a twist if you turn down the jab and can’t attend football matches, concerts and fly abroad either.

That’s the way things are now so people have to just accept it.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Of course mate, but would you feel comfortable someone who refused the vaccine sitting next to you on a plane?

Even if you were, others on the plane would have something to say about it, as would the destinations receiving that plane load.
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Why wouldn’t you feel comfortable? I will 100% have the vaccine but won’t be avoiding those that haven’t, it’s up to them.
 
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