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marvin you keep going on about mutation. Of course there is potential. What do we do wait for the entire world to be vaccinated? Once we have vaccinated the over 50s we quite simply have to open up. Speaking to a Cooper again this week, all he is dealing with is suicides and domestics. People are really starting to struggle.
It’s also worth remembering when we say the over 50s. Those 9 groups include all under 50s working in health care that will have had 2 by then. It also includes all under 50s with any underlying health condition, so all those most likely amongst under 50s that would require hospital treatments. Probably some other professions too.
By my estimation thats early May. Would think thats when we consider things like pubs and restaurants opening up. Maybe small crowds at football.
I would expect all adults will have had 2 shots by mid August and we’ll even be talking of starting any adapted boosters so still think we’ll be back at games by September / October hopefully the start of the season. And all but the most minor restrictions lifted.
 
It’s also worth remembering when we say the over 50s. Those 9 groups include all under 50s working in health care that will have had 2 by then. It also includes all under 50s with any underlying health condition, so all those most likely amongst under 50s that would require hospital treatments. Probably some other professions too.
By my estimation thats early May. Would think thats when we consider things like pubs and restaurants opening up. Maybe small crowds at football.
I would expect all adults will have had 2 shots by mid August and we’ll even be talking of starting any adapted boosters so still think we’ll be back at games by September / October hopefully the start of the season. And all but the most minor restrictions lifted.
A fair expectation and timeline there mate.
 
marvin you keep going on about mutation. Of course there is potential. What do we do wait for the entire world to be vaccinated? Once we have vaccinated the over 50s we quite simply have to open up. Speaking to a Cooper again this week, all he is dealing with is suicides and domestics. People are really starting to struggle.
As long as those of us under 50 aren’t subject to restrictions while those vaccinated are not.
 
As long as those of us under 50 aren’t subject to restrictions while those vaccinated are not.
I'd guess there won't be any government imposed restrictions. Whether individual businesses or sectors,or other countries impose vaccination requirements for travel is harder to say or control though.
I asked my son though what he thought he's 20. He said he wouldn't begrudge us being able to do things a couple of months before he can as the alternative is we both can't do them.
That said I won't go back to football before we both can we'll go back together.But I would go on a holiday even if he can't :)
 
marvin you keep going on about mutation. Of course there is potential. What do we do wait for the entire world to be vaccinated? Once we have vaccinated the over 50s we quite simply have to open up. Speaking to a Cooper again this week, all he is dealing with is suicides and domestics. People are really starting to struggle.


I didn't think there was much demand for barrel makers these days but I agree 100% with your post.
 
marvin you keep going on about mutation. Of course there is potential. What do we do wait for the entire world to be vaccinated? Once we have vaccinated the over 50s we quite simply have to open up. Speaking to a Cooper again this week, all he is dealing with is suicides and domestics. People are really starting to struggle.
It seems a harsh choice - let all the mentally ill / depressed go to the pub together and risk spreading covid, or keep them on lockdown to kill themselves or slap the family about. No perfect answer really.
 
marvin you keep going on about mutation. Of course there is potential. What do we do wait for the entire world to be vaccinated? Once we have vaccinated the over 50s we quite simply have to open up. Speaking to a Cooper again this week, all he is dealing with is suicides and domestics. People are really starting to struggle
All these struggles stem from the epidemic so my response would be to relax restrictions in parallel to the vaccination so that the epidemic is constantly contracting.
 
Lockdown clearly over in Didsbury. No masks, nobody social distancing, runners for some reason, running through the main high street. Cafe society is back, albeit carrying your cup as an accessory or as if you work at Google.
More important things to worry about, such as your place in the queue for the latest patisserie. (Seriously. Like the Harrods sale.)
Can't wait to move from this pretentious, hypocritical place asap.
Was a nice suburb, now a parody of itself.
 
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All these struggles stem from the epidemic so my response would be to relax restrictions in parallel to the vaccination so that the epidemic is constantly contracting.
We had an appalling suicide rate before the pandemic so there needs to be a wider public health approach IMHO.
 
Lockdown clearly over in Didsbury. No masks, nobody social distancing, runners for some reason, running through the main high street. Cafe society is back, albeit carrying your cup as an accessory or as if you work at Google.
More important things to worry about, such as your place in the queue for the latest patisserie. (Seriously. Like the Harrods sale.)
Can't wait to move from this pretentious, hypocritical place asap.
Was a nice suburb, now a parody of itself.

I was born and lived on Fog Lane for 25 years and worked behind the bar at at Caths on school lane. Proper place then. When the fletcher moss was the Albert. All the proper characters gone.
 
Lockdown clearly over in Didsbury. No masks, nobody social distancing, runners for some reason, running through the main high street. Cafe society is back, albeit carrying your cup as an accessory or as if you work at Google.
More important things to worry about, such as your place in the queue for the latest patisserie. (Seriously. Like the Harrods sale.)
Can't wait to move from this pretentious, hypocritical place asap.
Was a nice suburb, now a parody of itself.
A familiar cycle where a cheap area goes Studenty - trendy - expensive. Same happening in Chorlton Whalley range from what I've seen.
 
I was thinking when I looked at gov.uk curve that the rate of decay was slowing and that therefore the R rate was rising towards 1.0 but thinking about it if you have 1000 cases at time = 0 and the virus is declining at a fixed rate then each time step is going to trigger a smaller fall. In other words a population rises exponentially and declines exponentially. I should have realised that. A flattening curve does not mean that we should be worried that something fundamental is happening it's just how populations grow and fall.

To illustrate what I mean here is a population of radioactive atoms that decays at a fixed rate. The curve flattens but the decay rate is fixed.

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It feels illogical but is how this works and why I say in the reports - eg about Trafford - that once you get down to low numbers there is much further to rise than to fall. So it is easy for us to be deceived by numbers.

Really percentage falls week to week are the key.

Look at the England hospital data

23, 042 to 17, 694 to 14, 315 are the falls week to week in patient number Saturday 2 weeks ago to last Saturday to yesterday.

It is falling fast. That much is obvious. But it fell 5348 in week one and 3379 in week two.

Obviously it is slowing down and that looks like by quite a big drop.

But in fact it is only from 23.2% to 19.1% week to week in the term that matters - the proportion of the change not the raw number which tends to deceive us.


North West patient numbers in that same two weeks fell from 3292 to 2631 in the first Sat to Sat data and then to 2071 yesterday

These are falls of 661 first week and 560 last.

So obviously it is slowing?

Um no - actually its increased.

From a 20.1% fall to 21.3%

Raw numbers can easily fool our logic.

And the key thing to take from the above is that England hospital numbers - ALL regions - now including the North West - which was slower to get to this level than some - are falling at about 20% a week.

In mid winter in a pandemic that cannot be spun any way but good.
 
We had an appalling suicide rate before the pandemic so there needs to be a wider public health approach IMHO.
I appreciate that but the bottom-line is that we should constantly press down on the virus because all the misery stems from the epidemic.I was very pleased to hear from Hancock this morning that the prevalence of the SA variant was down and at very low levels and this is in my limited opinion the main risk to recovery.

I hope vaccination will improve peoples general mental health
 
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