I think your problem is that your settled opinion rarely has any facts behind it.
And that would be a purler.
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Postal votes in the UK (During covid and beyond)
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And that would be a purler.
Lots more post boxes than polling stations. Most postal voters can get someone else to post the envelope.Really?
There are calls on here, all from people with exactly the same political persuasion, for change, and at first glance, 'Making it easier' by postal voting
is an argument. Where it falls down is actually going to a post box takes effort, there are not as many now, you could be walking just as far to a ballot
booth. Plus, if it's all about the ease of voting, why make folk do even this?
What's wrong with online voting? What's wrong with sending someone else?
What's wrong with telling someone, anyone, to do it all for you?
After all, apparently, we need to make democracy available to all, don't we?
You can get someone else to vote for you. A proxy vote if you're away or ill.
And it's been common knowledge for decades that good weather helps Labour, as Tory voters have higher car ownership.
Facts, dear boy.
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..., millionaires now on their arses,
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So what's your problem then?Lots more post boxes than polling stations. Most postal voters can get someone else to post the envelope.
You can get someone else to vote for you. A proxy vote if you're away or ill.
And it's been common knowledge for decades that good weather helps Labour, as Tory voters have higher car ownership.
Facts, dear boy.
Your view of the population is one from around 100 years ago, the excuses you keep making are frankly laughable, the homeless one being the most hilarious.
Plus, if this is so much of a problem, how come previous Labour governments have never done this?
Anyway, dear boy, (Great biography of Keith Moon that), what you want, including letting foreigners vote, prisoners, pimply youths, and totting up those who can't be arsed, ain't happening, so it's yet another to stick on
an ever growing pile of wish lists.
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This is the type of response Id expect from the love child of Jacob Rees knob and that orange lunatic. Childish and pathetic....Anyway, dear boy, (Great biography of Keith Moon that), what you want, including letting foreigners vote, prisoners, pimply youths, and totting up those who can't be arsed, ain't happening, so it's yet another to stick on
an ever growing pile of wish lists.
Glad you find homelessness to be hilarious.So what's your problem then?
Your view of the population is one from around 100 years ago, the excuses you keep making are frankly laughable, the homeless one being the most hilarious.
Plus, if this is so much of a problem, how come previous Labour governments have never done this?
Anyway, dear boy, (Great biography of Keith Moon that), what you want, including letting foreigners vote, prisoners, pimply youths, and totting up those who can't be arsed, ain't happening, so it's yet another to stick on
an ever growing pile of wish lists.
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You mean people who believe in democracy.Really?
There are calls on here, all from people with exactly the same political persuasion, for change, and at first glance, 'Making it easier' by postal voting
Take steps if needed so that those who cant walk to the post box have their ballots collected.is an argument. Where it falls down is actually going to a post box takes effort, there are not as many now, you could be walking just as far to a ballot
Nothing at all, i would encourage it.#. Plus, if it's all about the ease of voting, why make folk do even this?
What's wrong with online voting?
Nothing at all, voting by proxy is fine.What's wrong with sending someone else?
Nothing at all,if it is your democratic choice to do that.What's wrong with telling someone, anyone, to do it all for you?
Yes we do, every person should have access to democracy.After all, apparently, we need to make democracy available to all, don't we?
If one person who is eligible to vote is denied a vote can we truly be a democracy?
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I suspect AC's arguement is only the right kind of people can vote. Whatever that kind is...You mean people who believe in democracy.
Take steps if needed so that those who cant walk to the post box have their ballots collected.
Nothing at all, i would encourage it.
Nothing at all, voting by proxy is fine.
Nothing at all,if it is your democratic choice to do that.
Yes we do, every person should have access to democracy.
If one person who is eligible to vote is denied a vote can we truly be a democracy?
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Morning Lenin.This is the type of response Id expect from the love child of Jacob Rees knob and that orange lunatic. Childish and pathetic.
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Ok. So anyone can tell someone else, (and we have to take that someone's word for it), that they can go to a polling booth and put a cross next toYou mean people who believe in democracy.
Take steps if needed so that those who cant walk to the post box have their ballots collected.
Nothing at all, i would encourage it.
Nothing at all, voting by proxy is fine.
Nothing at all,if it is your democratic choice to do that.
Yes we do, every person should have access to democracy.
If one person who is eligible to vote is denied a vote can we truly be a democracy?
whoever. Or, the person himself can vote online, nobody ever needs to go to a polling station ever again.
There is a reason why lunacy like this has never been implemented, by any
government, here or anywhere else. That it's the usual crew of eternal losers rooting for it surprises no one.
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And I don't suspect, I know, exactly why you want it. You know, unless yourI suspect AC's arguement is only the right kind of people can vote. Whatever that kind is...
feeble minded, that the politics you espouse will never gain traction, have a look at the results of the last elections. So instead of adjusting your stance back to a centre you despise, which has proved time and again to the only govt acceptable to the public, you double down, and start demanding changes to the system.
But we take comfort in the fact that it won't happen, Labour don't want it,
so which party are you going to cheer for to get the legislation through?
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No Vic, read again, It's you that's the source of the amusement.Glad you find homelessness to be hilarious.
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I suspect AC's arguement is only the right kind of people can vote. Whatever that kind is...
Sounds about white
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It’s pretty well known I’m a Tory, but anything that makes it easier to vote is a positive in a democracy isn’t it?And I don't suspect, I know, exactly why you want it. You know, unless your
feeble minded, that the politics you espouse will never gain traction, have a look at the results of the last elections. So instead of adjusting your stance back to a centre you despise, which has proved time and again to the only govt acceptable to the public, you double down, and start demanding changes to the system.
But we take comfort in the fact that it won't happen, Labour don't want it,
so which party are you going to cheer for to get the legislation through?
Online voting which is tied to everyone’s NI number and can only be used once would be my preferred choice and I’m not sure why anyone would be against it. We file our taxes, pay our bills and do just about everything else online.
So why's Gove harvesting postal votes? The Tories have more postal voters than Labour. It's part of how they win.Ok. So anyone can tell someone else, (and we have to take that someone's word for it), that they can go to a polling booth and put a cross next to
whoever. Or, the person himself can vote online, nobody ever needs to go to a polling station ever again.
There is a reason why lunacy like this has never been implemented, by any
government, here or anywhere else. That it's the usual crew of eternal losers rooting for it surprises no one.
I'm not sure what you think is lunacy. Any postal voting? Then most governments are lunatic. Switzerland sends a ballot paper to each elector, and the vast majority return it by post (the few others can take the ballot paper to a polling station). Oregon has had postal voting only since 1998.
But don't let facts worry you.
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It’s pretty well known I’m a Tory, but anything that makes it easier to vote is a positive in a democracy isn’t it?
Online voting which is tied to everyone’s NI number and can only be used once would be my preferred choice and I’m not sure why anyone would be against it. We file our taxes, pay our bills and do just about everything else online.
If you look at the Conservative manifesto you will see that
... for people voting in the UK they want them to provide two forms of ID. This will obviously suppress the vote is some areas.
...for people living outside the UK (in their foreign homes) the Tories want to make it easier to vote and to remove the arbitrary 15 year limit on their voting rights.
Call me cynical but I believe that the Tories dont do anything unless it gives them a competitive advantage.
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Yes, it could, particularly as an NI number gives more security, and I agree, but that wouldn't satisfy many on here, the argument will then switch to 'Well, theIt’s pretty well known I’m a Tory, but anything that makes it easier to vote is a positive in a democracy isn’t it?
Online voting which is tied to everyone’s NI number and can only be used once would be my preferred choice and I’m not sure why anyone would be against it. We file our taxes, pay our bills and do just about everything else online.
poor haven't got access to technology, and some sections of society
have not been registered.' It's also not anything that's been suggested, to my knowledge, by the Labour party. They used to win the odd election, in fact he who's name is spoken of with disgust managed to win one of the three he won with an enormous majority, far bigger than what Boris & Co. got, and
nobody heard them calling for PR, or now this, at that time.
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I've asked you before, what's your problem?So why's Gove harvesting postal votes? The Tories have more postal voters than Labour. It's part of how they win.
I'm not sure what you think is lunacy. Any postal voting? Then most governments are lunatic. Switzerland sends a ballot paper to each elector, and the vast majority return it by post (the few others can take the ballot paper to a polling station). Oregon has had postal voting only since 1998.
But don't let facts worry you.
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If you look at the Conservative manifesto you will see that
... for people voting in the UK they want them to provide two forms of ID. This will obviously suppress the vote is some areas.
...for people living outside the UK (in their foreign homes) the Tories want to make it easier to vote and to remove the arbitrary 15 year limit on their voting rights.
Call me cynical but I believe that the Tories dont do anything unless it gives them a competitive advantage.
well I would say no political party does anything without it giving them some form of competitive advantage, but the Labour party seem hellbent on shooting themselves in the foot at every opportunity.
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BollocksNo, it's the easiest way to implement fraud, the only valid reasons for it
is absentee votes. If you can't be arsed to get round the corner to a polling
booth, don't bother.
It's interesting, but not surprising, to see Labour pushing for it.