Lionel Messi | Joins Inter Miami (pg4111)

[bobbyowenquiff]

I'm sure no one will get sent to prison at Barca, just like Madrid. Tax, corruption etc, doesn't rerally make any difference. UEFA certainly won't be interested, neither will la Liga.

Yes running up debts of over £1bn and money laundering is all fair play as far as UEFA are concerned. Whatever you do though don't think of investing money in your own business.

 

[razman]

Yes, not sure what that has to do with any of us knowing what his decision will be though.

I was referring to his age only. Barça is a poorly run club anyway . Will take years to come out of this mess.

So if Messi wants to win major trophies before he finishes his career, he would look to move

 

[manimanc]

Hardly lack of ambition, he's 35 after his career he's entitled to do whatever he's most comfortable with. Don't think this would sway him one way or the other. The future president might or might not.

Is it 2023 already? Why didn't anybody tell me?

 

[Centurions]

Does seem like that , but that will say more about his lack of ambition than anything else.

He's been at Barcelona for 20 years now and won every individual and club competition available in Spain. If he stays for his probable last couple of seasons, I don't think anyone can, with any seriousness, question his ambition.

 

[rickmcfc]

He's been at Barcelona for 20 years now and won every individual and club competition available in Spain. If he stays for his probable last couple of seasons, I don't think anyone can, with any seriousness, question his ambition.

Absolutely they can.

As a comparison tool, the two best player son the planet for the last 20 years have beer Messi and Ronaldo.

Ronaldo has played in 4 countries, Portugal, England, Spain and Italy and won major trophies at each club.

Messi on the other hand has been at the most prestigious club in world football for his career (which speaks for something in itself) but has had opportunities to move on and prove himself several times. It seems the main deciding factor in his choices has been money orientated, which for a multi millionaire several times over, its pretty poor and does show a lack of ambition, the easy option has always been to stay at Barcelona, and I'm 90% certain thats why he will still be playing his football on the coast of the Mediterranean come early August.

 

[Keeper!]

Absolutely they can.

As a comparison tool, the two best player son the planet for the last 20 years have beer Messi and Ronaldo.

Ronaldo has played in 4 countries, Portugal, England, Spain and Italy and won major trophies at each club.

Messi on the other hand has been at the most prestigious club in world football for his career (which speaks for something in itself) but has had opportunities to move on and prove himself several times. It seems the main deciding factor in his choices has been money orientated, which for a multi millionaire several times over, its pretty poor and does show a lack of ambition, the easy option has always been to stay at Barcelona, and I'm 90% certain thats why he will still be playing his football on the coast of the Mediterranean come early August.

Barca is his club, he has done it all at the club he loves.

If Foden wins numerous titles in the next 10 years and stays with us until the end of his career, does that make him unambitious? In my book it's the opposite, to play for your club and win titles is the ultimate.

Ronaldo is an incredible player, reinventing himself as time catches up with him, yet he remains one of the greats.

The only negative to Messi is probably the National team, never quite done it with them, especially in comparison with Ronaldo and the reason I personally rate Maradona better than Messi, because Maradona's Argentinian career was outstanding.

 

[Snoogy]

Does seem like that , but that will say more about his lack of ambition than anything else.

You appear to be phrasing that as a criticism, but you don't achieve GOAT status (with the trophies, and awards, and millions upon millions that come with it) without ambition. If his remaining ambition is 'only' to play out his days for the club he is synonymous with then fair play to him. He really has nothing left to prove in this game, regardless of how many years he might have left at the top.

Still hope to see him banging them in for us next season though.

 

[aguero93:20]

You appear to be phrasing that as a criticism, but you don't achieve GOAT status (with the trophies, and awards, and millions upon millions that come with it) without ambition. If his remaining ambition is 'only' to play out his days for the club he is synonymous with then fair play to him. He really has nothing left to prove in this game, regardless of how many years he might have left at the top.

Still hope to see him banging them in for us next season though.

Now now, he's good but he's no Goat. He's more of an Argie poor man's Shaun Goater tbh.

 

[MessiFC]

Absolutely they can.

As a comparison tool, the two best player son the planet for the last 20 years have beer Messi and Ronaldo.

Ronaldo has played in 4 countries, Portugal, England, Spain and Italy and won major trophies at each club.

Messi on the other hand has been at the most prestigious club in world football for his career (which speaks for something in itself) but has had opportunities to move on and prove himself several times. It seems the main deciding factor in his choices has been money orientated, which for a multi millionaire several times over, its pretty poor and does show a lack of ambition, the easy option has always been to stay at Barcelona, and I'm 90% certain thats why he will still be playing his football on the coast of the Mediterranean come early August.

Ronaldo really won major trophies in Portugal, in Sporting CP? Didn’t know xd
And his Juve career is getting worse and worse, he literally downgraded them. Useless poacher

 

[Coatigan]

Absolutely they can.

As a comparison tool, the two best player son the planet for the last 20 years have beer Messi and Ronaldo.

Ronaldo has played in 4 countries, Portugal, England, Spain and Italy and won major trophies at each club.

Messi on the other hand has been at the most prestigious club in world football for his career (which speaks for something in itself) but has had opportunities to move on and prove himself several times. It seems the main deciding factor in his choices has been money orientated, which for a multi millionaire several times over, its pretty poor and does show a lack of ambition, the easy option has always been to stay at Barcelona, and I'm 90% certain thats why he will still be playing his football on the coast of the Mediterranean come early August.

I personally disagree with that take on it.

It is far more rare to have players spend their entire careers at a single club and keep winning things.

You can argue ronaldo tested himself in multiole leagues. You can also argue he fled sinking ships to move onto the next most likely platform to succeed at. It isn't like he left portugal to play for west brom, or left utd to play for girona. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle, he did indeed test himself and prove himself, but he'd have strugggled more having stayed where he was.

I do think though Messi's staying at Barcelona for as long as he did had every bit as much to do with money as his love for the club.

But i wouldnt try argue he lacks ambition if he ends up staying there. If anything, the state it is in, staying there is harder than coming to the team our club have built.

But if he goes to PSG then, maybe.

 

[Centurions]

Absolutely they can.

As a comparison tool, the two best player son the planet for the last 20 years have beer Messi and Ronaldo.

Ronaldo has played in 4 countries, Portugal, England, Spain and Italy and won major trophies at each club.

Messi on the other hand has been at the most prestigious club in world football for his career (which speaks for something in itself) but has had opportunities to move on and prove himself several times. It seems the main deciding factor in his choices has been money orientated, which for a multi millionaire several times over, its pretty poor and does show a lack of ambition, the easy option has always been to stay at Barcelona, and I'm 90% certain thats why he will still be playing his football on the coast of the Mediterranean come early August.

What a load of doo-doo.

Ronaldo spent one season in Portugal at 1st team level and won their equivalent of the Charity Shield. Is that your definition of a major trophy?

He went to United partly as a stepping stone to a bigger club and partly as they offered him ridiculous money. Fair enough he won a goodly amount of trophies there as part of a decent team. When Real waived a stupid amount of money in his and Uniteds direction he jumped ship again. Again he won a lot there as part of a very good team in a 2 horse league. He left for various mooted reasons but absolutely none of them were about 'ambition'. Money, jealousy over Neymars possible recruitment and the president 'giving him funny looks' are all listed. He then jumped ship to a one horse league for another ridiculous amount of money where he was guaranteed more trophies.

You think Messi stayed for money instead of 'proving himself' (PMSL)? Maybe money did come into it, maybe he just wanted to stay as part of the best team ever seen (with himself being the crown jewel).

Lack of ambition my arse.

Edit: https://www.goal.com/en/news/why-di...of his,Madrid's 2018 Champions League triumph.

 

[Sir Joe Aguero]

Barca is his club, he has done it all at the club he loves.

If Foden wins numerous titles in the next 10 years and stays with us until the end of his career, does that make him unambitious? In my book it's the opposite, to play for your club and win titles is the ultimate.

Ronaldo is an incredible player, reinventing himself as time catches up with him, yet he remains one of the greats.

The only negative to Messi is probably the National team, never quite done it with them, especially in comparison with Ronaldo and the reason I personally rate Maradona better than Messi, because Maradona's Argentinian career was outstanding.

He dragged a poor Argentina to a World Cup final and won best player.

 

[aguero93:20]

He dragged a poor Argentina to a World Cup final and won best player.

While not fully fit

 

[Mad 4 It]

They don’t have any money. How are they going to pay him... with magic beans. All this arrest stuff makes no difference. They can’t afford to keep him

 

[Coatigan]

They don’t have any money. How are they going to pay him... with magic beans. All this arrest stuff makes no difference. They can’t afford to keep him

The promise of what comes after the purge can make a difference.

 

[blueparrot]

He dragged a poor Argentina to a World Cup final and won best player.

Not for me Maradona has that great card to play, while it may not be in Messi's hand , Messi has enough to trump that one card in a far longer career. Messi over Maradona or anyone else,all the time for me.

 

[MessiFC]

This „proved himself in different leagues” thing makes me laugh everytime.
Playing in the best Utd side of all time is proving himself haha. For example Rooney, van der Sar, Ferdinand, Vidic, Giggs, Tevez, Scholes - are they shite players? Well, they even made it to the UCL final a year after he left...
Real Madrid - played with Kroos, Modric, Marcelo, Ramos, Bale, Casillas. He did nothing in the UCL until 2013, when Modric and co. came to the club. After he left they won La Liga - one less in all his spell with Madrid. In 9 years... funny.
Juventus didn’t buy him to win Serie A titles because they won 7 in a row (!!!!!) before he came. After he came they didn’t make any UCL semi (were finalists in 2015 and 2017). Also, they haven’t won Coppa Italia since his arrival...
also he lost the top scorer of the League to 78 years old Quagiarella and Bundesliga flop Ciro Immobile.
FUNNY.

And people saying he proved himself million times. Going to the most successful teams in each league to just stand in the box to poach...
He had Mourinho, Ferguson, Ancelotti, Allegri, Zidane, Benitez as coaches. His 1st shite coach is Pirlo now. After 15 years of career. Meanwhile Messi had Setien, Valverde, Tata Martino, Roura. Wtf. Only 4 were top (Pep, Rijkaard, Lucho, Tito). And Rosell and Bartomeu as presidents.
Messi is not a football prostitute unlike PR7. Staying in the same team to help them win the titles for over a decade is the most challenging. Not jumping from team to team to score some tap-ins and get all the credit...

Praying he leaves Barca. I have enough of this shit for 6 years already. I want him to win the UCL again.

 

[Mad 4 It]

The promise of what comes after the purge can make a difference.

Can’t see it to be honest, they will continue to say they want him to stay but in reality they know they have to let him go. They are all spin merchants

 

[mat]

Let's boil piss.

Organise a pre season friendly with NYC at ours. Ramp up the media speculation that Messi will be signing pre kick off. Neglect to tell them it's for NYCFC.

 

[aguero93:20]

This „proved himself in different leagues” thing makes me laugh everytime.
Playing in the best Utd side of all time is proving himself haha. For example Rooney, van der Sar, Ferdinand, Vidic, Giggs, Tevez, Scholes - are they shite players? Well, they even made it to the UCL final a year after he left...
Real Madrid - played with Kroos, Modric, Marcelo, Ramos, Bale, Casillas. He did nothing in the UCL until 2013, when Modric and co. came to the club. After he left they won La Liga - one less in all his spell with Madrid. In 9 years... funny.
Juventus didn’t buy him to win Serie A titles because they won 7 in a row (!!!!!) before he came. After he came they didn’t make any UCL semi (were finalists in 2015 and 2017). Also, they haven’t won Coppa Italia since his arrival...
also he lost the top scorer of the League to 78 years old Quagiarella and Bundesliga flop Ciro Immobile.
FUNNY.

And people saying he proved himself million times. Going to the most successful teams in each league to just stand in the box to poach...
He had Mourinho, Ferguson, Ancelotti, Allegri, Zidane, Benitez as coaches. His 1st shite coach is Pirlo now. After 15 years of career. Meanwhile Messi had Setien, Valverde, Tata Martino, Roura. Wtf. Only 4 were top (Pep, Rijkaard, Lucho, Tito). And Rosell and Bartomeu as presidents.
Messi is not a football prostitute unlike PR7. Staying in the same team to help them win the titles for over a decade is the most challenging. Not jumping from team to team to score some tap-ins and get all the credit...

Praying he leaves Barca. I have enough of this shit for 6 years already. I want him to win the UCL again.

So which do you prefer?